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Uh....yeah but this is old news. I am asking for updated real life experience with current error coin submissions but thank you for your efforts to inform me.
Yes it is old news but many likely didn’t read that thread.
That’s why I also said…
“Hopefully others post about submission times for error coins submitted to PCGS.”
😃😉
mikebyers.com Dealer in Major Mint Errors, Die Trials & Patterns - Author of NLG Best World Coin Book World's Greatest Mint Errors - Publisher & Editor of minterrornews.com.
@ErrorsOnCoins who has submitted to PCGS in the past and has a high turnover of error coins.
I use both services. I have not recently sent any submissions to PCGS. My last submission ATS was surprisingly fast.
Submission time certainly is important.
But, price point is more important (to me) when dealing with coins worth a few hundred dollars as opposed to thousands.
So, is the right way to interpret this that you haven't been sending to our hosts after the recent change in attributor, but that's more due to price point than turnaround times?
Not answering for Chris, but the obvious considerations when deciding where to send your error coins is a combination of price point and turnaround times/delays.😉
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@ErrorsOnCoins said:
But, what about all those collectoirs who have say an off center cent that they want in PCGS error plastic, the high price make it a hard sell.
Not answering for Chris, but the obvious considerations when deciding where to send your error coins is a combination of price point and turnaround times/delays.😉
Yes, price point and turnaround times are generally both important.
Shipping coins to Florida can cause a general delay but I wonder if the there's a larger impact with all the disruption due to the Covid spike.
Things worked out well before because Fred was local to PCGS. I know Jon said he wasn't going to move to CA, but if turn around times get too long, would it make sense to have a backup for Jon in CA?
@ErrorsOnCoins who has submitted to PCGS in the past and has a high turnover of error coins.
I use both services. I have not recently sent any submissions to PCGS. My last submission ATS was surprisingly fast.
Submission time certainly is important.
But, price point is more important (to me) when dealing with coins worth a few hundred dollars as opposed to thousands.
So, is the right way to interpret this that you haven't been sending to our hosts after the recent change in attributor, but that's more due to price point than turnaround times?
@ErrorsOnCoins said:
But, what about all those collectoirs who have say an off center cent that they want in PCGS error plastic, the high price make it a hard sell.
I think they end up in ANACS yellow label holders
Not about the attributor at all as I know Jon will do an excellent job.
I do not mind paying up to have a major rarity graded by PCGS.
IMO PCGS would get so much more ATS business if they could certify the more common error coins at a lower price, I for sure would submit more if not all my coins to PCGS for say on a $35 / $65 scale.
As to the yellow slab idea, well we just saw a major error coin auction go off with tons of yellow slabs that failed to get what the coin inside was worth, IMO.
@ErrorsOnCoins who has submitted to PCGS in the past and has a high turnover of error coins.
I use both services. I have not recently sent any submissions to PCGS. My last submission ATS was surprisingly fast.
Submission time certainly is important.
But, price point is more important (to me) when dealing with coins worth a few hundred dollars as opposed to thousands.
So, is the right way to interpret this that you haven't been sending to our hosts after the recent change in attributor, but that's more due to price point than turnaround times?
@ErrorsOnCoins said:
But, what about all those collectoirs who have say an off center cent that they want in PCGS error plastic, the high price make it a hard sell.
I think they end up in ANACS yellow label holders
Not about the attributor at all as I know Jon will do an excellent job.
I do not mind paying up to have a major rarity graded by PCGS.
IMO PCGS would get so much more ATS business if they could certify the more common error coins at a lower price, I for sure would submit more if not all my coins to PCGS for say on a $35 / $65 scale.
As to the yellow slab idea, well we just saw a major error coin auction go off with tons of yellow slabs that failed to get what the coin inside was worth, IMO.
I agree the price makes sense for major rarities, but those may need even faster turn around times.
For faster or lower cost certification, I wonder if it would help to have an authenticator in CA, just for cost and logistics.
Well, both Chris and Mike have posted! If neither Chris nor Mike are sending to PCGS now, I'm not sure you'll get a good answer. They are the big error submitters on the forums, but hopefully someone else will chime in.
As for other forum members, I asked Jon if he was going to send more of his own coins to PCGS now that he was authenticating for them, and he said he wasn't. And Fred, who did have a lot of PCGS coins, has retired so I don't expect much in the way of submissions now.
I feel that this thread is spot on, on topic, and is dealing with the issues of submitting delays, pricing structure, and covid delays.
mikebyers.com Dealer in Major Mint Errors, Die Trials & Patterns - Author of NLG Best World Coin Book World's Greatest Mint Errors - Publisher & Editor of minterrornews.com.
Maybe some will pop in and comment, but you can’t blame Zoins, EOC, or myself, for sharing our honest thoughts on the situation…
mikebyers.com Dealer in Major Mint Errors, Die Trials & Patterns - Author of NLG Best World Coin Book World's Greatest Mint Errors - Publisher & Editor of minterrornews.com.
As I mentioned in the other thread that I posted above, I was lucky and fortunate when Fred was able to write up my PCGS error coin submission forms so I could personally drop them at PCGS as walk-thru’s and pick them up the next day. Amazing service from Fred and PCGS.
Obviously Fred retired and rocket-fast error coin submissions aren’t an option anymore…😩
mikebyers.com Dealer in Major Mint Errors, Die Trials & Patterns - Author of NLG Best World Coin Book World's Greatest Mint Errors - Publisher & Editor of minterrornews.com.
Below are two coins that I personally sent in for certification and a perfect example of what I mean on how cool two tiered pricing could be for PCGS.
The first (PCGS) coin is unique and ultra rare so I sent the coin to be certified by PCGS because IMO, PCGS is the leading and most respected grading service which would result in added value for my coin.
The second (NGC) coin is very easy to attribute (10% Off Center) and the value of the coin is makes it a necessity to use the lower cost service.
I guess my question to PCGS is , do you want a ton more error coin certification business with the more common easy to attrbute error coins? I would be in line if so
@Byers said:
Maybe some will pop in and comment, but you can’t blame Zoins, EOC, or myself, for sharing our honest thoughts on the situation…
I can blame you guys for not answering my question but instead taking my thread in a whole new direction that I couldn't care less about. Now I have made you guys a new thread to discuss your topic. Not sure why I had to do it but you are welcome!😎
Our posts were still discussing times, delays, etc as well as related error coin submission topics and issues.
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@U1chicago said:
Search deleted among thread titles (outside of buy/sell) and the threads almost always get more comments. They certainly get clicks/views.
I'm sure you're right, I'm just fooling around. Since the OP has deleted the thread, that shouldn't be a problem, should it?
Many threads don’t stay on the specific topic, but as long as they contain related information they are fine. Many threads do that.
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@U1chicago said:
And as people fail to learn, writing delete on a thread tends to increase the comments rather than stop them.
Really? Do you have any evidence?
I just opened this thread out of curiosity to see what I missed.
The solution for the problem of those posters that have a habit of starting a thread and then deleting their opening post when they don't like the responses they are getting is to use the quote feature here on their opening post.
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@U1chicago said:
And as people fail to learn, writing delete on a thread tends to increase the comments rather than stop them.
Really? Do you have any evidence?
I just opened this thread out of curiosity to see what I missed.
The solution for the problem of those posters that have a habit of starting a thread and then deleting their opening post when they don't like the responses they are getting is to use the quote feature here on their opening post.
It was rather an odd temper tantrum. OP starts a thread about error coin submissions. 2 large error coin dealers start talking about error coins. OP claims that they aren't talking about error coins in the right manner and starts a new thread and tries to shuttle them off to the new thread. OP has another tantrum and deletes the original thread which really sends it off topic.
@U1chicago said:
And as people fail to learn, writing delete on a thread tends to increase the comments rather than stop them.
Really? Do you have any evidence?
I just opened this thread out of curiosity to see what I missed.
The solution for the problem of those posters that have a habit of starting a thread and then deleting their opening post when they don't like the responses they are getting is to use the quote feature here on their opening post.
It was rather an odd temper tantrum. OP starts a thread about error coin submissions. 2 large error coin dealers start talking about error coins. OP claims that they aren't talking about error coins in the right manner and starts a new thread and tries to shuttle them off to the new thread. OP has another tantrum and deletes the original thread which really sends it off topic.
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@WQuarterFreddie said:
“I would appreciate feedback from other members who have submitted error coins what they are currently experiencing with their submissions.”
As you know, this (submission times, new consultant) was discussed in a prior PCGS thread about submitting error coins.
Hopefully others post about submission times for error coins submitted to PCGS.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1067452/congrats-to-jon-sullivan-new-pcgs-error-consultant-and-authenticator
Uh....yeah but this is old news. I am asking for updated real life experience with current error coin submissions but thank you for your efforts to inform me.
You are welcome.
Yes it is old news but many likely didn’t read that thread.
That’s why I also said…
“Hopefully others post about submission times for error coins submitted to PCGS.”
😃😉
The following may be able to chime in:
@SullivanNumismatics who has been doing error attributions.
@ErrorsOnCoins who has submitted to PCGS in the past and has a high turnover of error coins.
I use both services. I have not recently sent any submissions to PCGS. My last submission ATS was surprisingly fast.
Submission time certainly is important.
But, price point is more important (to me) when dealing with coins worth a few hundred dollars as opposed to thousands.
I have always believed that PCGS should have to two tiered price for error coin submissions, say $65 and $35.
True error rarities should be in PGCS plastic, IMO, and the $65 fee is just fine.
But, what about all those collectoirs who have say an off center cent that they want in PCGS error plastic, the high price make it a hard sell.
IMO PCGS would get so many more error coin submissions if they could certify common error coins at a lower price.
So, is the right way to interpret this that you haven't been sending to our hosts after the recent change in attributor, but that's more due to price point than turnaround times?
@Zoins
Not answering for Chris, but the obvious considerations when deciding where to send your error coins is a combination of price point and turnaround times/delays.😉
I think they end up in ANACS yellow label holders
Yes, price point and turnaround times are generally both important.
Shipping coins to Florida can cause a general delay but I wonder if the there's a larger impact with all the disruption due to the Covid spike.
Things worked out well before because Fred was local to PCGS. I know Jon said he wasn't going to move to CA, but if turn around times get too long, would it make sense to have a backup for Jon in CA?
Not about the attributor at all as I know Jon will do an excellent job.
I do not mind paying up to have a major rarity graded by PCGS.
IMO PCGS would get so much more ATS business if they could certify the more common error coins at a lower price, I for sure would submit more if not all my coins to PCGS for say on a $35 / $65 scale.
As to the yellow slab idea, well we just saw a major error coin auction go off with tons of yellow slabs that failed to get what the coin inside was worth, IMO.
I agree the price makes sense for major rarities, but those may need even faster turn around times.
For faster or lower cost certification, I wonder if it would help to have an authenticator in CA, just for cost and logistics.
Wow! This went off topic quickly!😂🤣
Well, both Chris and Mike have posted! If neither Chris nor Mike are sending to PCGS now, I'm not sure you'll get a good answer. They are the big error submitters on the forums, but hopefully someone else will chime in.
As for other forum members, I asked Jon if he was going to send more of his own coins to PCGS now that he was authenticating for them, and he said he wasn't. And Fred, who did have a lot of PCGS coins, has retired so I don't expect much in the way of submissions now.
I feel that this thread is spot on, on topic, and is dealing with the issues of submitting delays, pricing structure, and covid delays.
The thread was for comments from fellow members who currently have error coin submissions to PCGS. As of now it appears I am the only one. 👍🤣😂
Maybe some will pop in and comment, but you can’t blame Zoins, EOC, or myself, for sharing our honest thoughts on the situation…
As I mentioned in the other thread that I posted above, I was lucky and fortunate when Fred was able to write up my PCGS error coin submission forms so I could personally drop them at PCGS as walk-thru’s and pick them up the next day. Amazing service from Fred and PCGS.
Obviously Fred retired and rocket-fast error coin submissions aren’t an option anymore…😩
Below are two coins that I personally sent in for certification and a perfect example of what I mean on how cool two tiered pricing could be for PCGS.
The first (PCGS) coin is unique and ultra rare so I sent the coin to be certified by PCGS because IMO, PCGS is the leading and most respected grading service which would result in added value for my coin.
The second (NGC) coin is very easy to attribute (10% Off Center) and the value of the coin is makes it a necessity to use the lower cost service.
I guess my question to PCGS is , do you want a ton more error coin certification business with the more common easy to attrbute error coins? I would be in line if so
Starting a new thread for you 3 members so you can have at it without taking my thread off topic😴😴😴🙄
I can blame you guys for not answering my question but instead taking my thread in a whole new direction that I couldn't care less about. Now I have made you guys a new thread to discuss your topic. Not sure why I had to do it but you are welcome!😎
Link:
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1069192/should-pcgs-have-a-tiered-price-structure-for-error-coin-submissions#latest
Weekend moderator?
Nope. Just someone who takes action to solve my problem.😉
I see.
Almost every thread that I start goes off topic.
I learn quite a bit from the off topic discussions and I personally really appreciate the effort of others.
Chris- ofcourse!
Many threads go into related topics.
Our posts were still discussing times, delays, etc as well as related error coin submission topics and issues.
I love this thread.
Off topic! Start a new thread.
So do I.
And as people fail to learn, writing delete on a thread tends to increase the comments rather than stop them.
Really? Do you have any evidence?
This thread
Well, yeah. But aside from that...???
Search deleted among thread titles (outside of buy/sell) and the threads almost always get more comments. They certainly get clicks/views.
Do we really need 2 threads about Deleted?
I'm sure you're right, I'm just fooling around. Since the OP has deleted the thread, that shouldn't be a problem, should it?
Is DELETED considered on or off topic?
Many threads don’t stay on the specific topic, but as long as they contain related information they are fine. Many threads do that.
Yes
Maybe. 😉
Deleted attracted me faster than a new awesome USMint release 😂😉🙀
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
I really have nothing to add here.
Neither do I.
I would say I can see that, but I'm seeing additions!
Still here?
@IkesT I can see your last post with my Bell & Howell tac glasses..... it's obscene and has been reported.
@ifthevamzarockin You're just jealous because I added less than you did.
LOL
I just opened this thread out of curiosity to see what I missed.
The solution for the problem of those posters that have a habit of starting a thread and then deleting their opening post when they don't like the responses they are getting is to use the quote feature here on their opening post.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
It was rather an odd temper tantrum. OP starts a thread about error coin submissions. 2 large error coin dealers start talking about error coins. OP claims that they aren't talking about error coins in the right manner and starts a new thread and tries to shuttle them off to the new thread. OP has another tantrum and deletes the original thread which really sends it off topic.
I came here for the prognosis.
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