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Che_Grapes
Che_Grapes Posts: 1,890 ✭✭✭✭✭
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It’s been hard for me to capture on photo but will continue to try, but in the meantime I have an uncirculated 21 P that has clear doubling on the word “ONE” on reverse. I cannot find anything mentioned about a double die for this issue in red book or elsewhere - has anyone else seen this? Would this be something desirable? Any thoughts from 1921 high relief peace experts appreciated in advance - thank you.

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  • Che_Grapes
    Che_Grapes Posts: 1,890 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The bottom one probably shows it the best, the O is doubled and also can see it on the N bottom left edge... thought??

  • Raybob15239
    Raybob15239 Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭
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    Agree with Gumby. Machine doubling.

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  • MsMorrisine
    MsMorrisine Posts: 40,088 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MD

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  • Che_Grapes
    Che_Grapes Posts: 1,890 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Can you please inform me what machine doubling means? Thanks for your knowledge in advance it’s much appreciated — I’ve been trying to figure this out

  • ifthevamzarockin
    ifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,915 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    About mechanical doubling
    https://doubleddie.com/144822.html

    About Vam's for a 1921.
    http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com/wiki/1921-P_Peace_VAMs

  • ChrisH821
    ChrisH821 Posts: 7,152 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    What they said. ^
    MD is identifiable by the way the metal looks like it was pushed and moved. See how on the O the doubled area does not add any width (hub doubling adds width to devices) and the N has a raised part where the displaced metal moved upwards.

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  • PerryHall
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    I see "machine doubling" and "mechanical doubling" being used. Is there an accepted standard terminology?

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  • MFeld
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    @PerryHall said:
    I see "machine doubling" and "mechanical doubling" being used. Is there an accepted standard terminology?

    From what I’ve seen, they’re correctly used interchangeably.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • ricko
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    It is machine doubling (one more vote to support the conclusion).... @Che_Grapes ... The links posted above will help you to understand the phenomena and to identify it when encountered on other coins. Cheers, RickO

  • MarkKelley
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    Also known as strike doubling.

  • WAYNEAS
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    Nice close-up picture @Che_Grapes
    I agree that what you are seeing is Machine Doubling.
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    Machine doubling is caused when the coin dies bounce as coins are struck. This occurs when the bolts holding the coin dies loosen. Machine doubling is very common and commands no premium.
    Wayne

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  • Che_Grapes
    Che_Grapes Posts: 1,890 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Thank you I appreciated all the insight. I have since become more knowledgeable about MD and he fact it occurs due to “loose parts” (!!) in the striking prices (say what?) and that most experts actually view MD as a damaged or otherwise undesirable coin. Go figure! This coin in question just get better and better... first I over paid, submitted it and got a details cleaned grade, and now even a little MD on the reverse... wonderful! It’s my lemon coin of the year that’s for sure
    Thanks again!

  • PerryHall
    PerryHall Posts: 47,763 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Che_Grapes said:
    Thank you I appreciated all the insight. I have since become more knowledgeable about MD and he fact it occurs due to “loose parts” (!!) in the striking prices (say what?) and that most experts actually view MD as a damaged or otherwise undesirable coin. Go figure! This coin in question just get better and better... first I over paid, submitted it and got a details cleaned grade, and now even a little MD on the reverse... wonderful! It’s my lemon coin of the year that’s for sure
    Thanks again!

    I've never heard of MD as being considered to be damage. It just doesn't add any value to the coin.

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