@JBK said:
A few posters seem to keep ignoring that numismatics (and the ANA) is not just about coins.
The issue is not that they are not interested in Hungarian hyperinflation, the issue is that they apparently think that only articles about US coins are appropriate.
I'm unable to read the article. Can you please explain the link in the article between Hungarian hyperinflation and numismatics? Was there, for example, a particular emphasis on coins and currency from that period?
I don't have access to it either so I am not in a position to explain anything.
The obvious assumption is that being in the ANA magazine, the subject was approached from a numismatic perspective.
@JBK said:
A few posters seem to keep ignoring that numismatics (and the ANA) is not just about coins.
The issue is not that they are not interested in Hungarian hyperinflation, the issue is that they apparently think that only articles about US coins are appropriate.
I'm unable to read the article. Can you please explain the link in the article between Hungarian hyperinflation and numismatics? Was there, for example, a particular emphasis on coins and currency from that period?
The article talked about the hyperinflation in terms of the higher denomination currency. It is very well illustrated with some very colorful notes. I don't think they'll mind if I steal this one page screen shot to show you.
@Gazes said:
"Hungary's Disastrous Hyperinflation" was a disappointment to me and I am sure some others.
Almost certainly. Do you think there is a topic that would not disappoint anybody?
Everyone has their preference. I think there was this rush to judgment against my OP. This idea that I only wanted articles about US circulation collector coins. I obviously didn't say that but I do want more. A quick look of covers for the last 7 months only had 2 cover stories about US circulation coins. Am i allowed to voice my support to have a few more cover stories about Walking Liberty Halves, Liberty gold coinage, proof type sets? I may be wrong but that may stir more interest than the cover of Medals of Isabel II.
That's pretty much my point. There's no way to satisfy everybody who wants more of what they prefer and less of what they don't.
If we want to grow the hobby maybe more lead articles that will motivate the majority and a few less lead articles highlighting the esoteric areas (and no I'm not saying no articles regarding these areas just less to reflect the collector base of the ANA)
@Gazes said:
If we want to grow the hobby maybe more lead articles that will motivate the majority and a few less lead articles highlighting the esoteric areas (and no I'm not saying no articles regarding these areas just less to reflect the collector base of the ANA)
Do you have any data demonstrating what the collector base of the ANA prefers?
Really? Disappointed that this was the the featured article for the month. Be serious.
While you may have been disappointed, I think it was a fine choice. I learned some things about A new topic and with education being one of their missions, I think the ANA succeeded. It's good to be exposed to different areas of numismatics. Keeps you from getting stale and closed minded.
Have you ever held a 15 million Mark German note and wondered how it came about? I had and searched out the answers.
I was unaware that Hungary had similar inflationary issues until The Numismatist laid the story into my lap with the history of escalating denominations along with images of some of those notes. I feel richer (smarter) for having read it.
@Gazes said:
If we want to grow the hobby maybe more lead articles that will motivate the majority and a few less lead articles highlighting the esoteric areas (and no I'm not saying no articles regarding these areas just less to reflect the collector base of the ANA)
Do you have any data demonstrating what the collector base of the ANA prefers?
I'm guessing that more than 28% (2 of 7 cover articles) prefer traditional US circulation coins. Also when I look at the ads in the Numismatist the majority and certainly the largest (and most expensive ) ones seemed aimed at US collectors who focus on the more traditional areas of the hobby.
Yeah. I'm guessing more ANA members are interested in walkers, st gaudens, etc than Hungary's disastrous hyperinflation. I know it's a stretch but I'll stick with it.
@Gazes said:
Yeah. I'm guessing more ANA members are interested in walkers, st gaudens, etc than Hungary's disastrous hyperinflation. I know it's a stretch but I'll stick with it.
What did the ANA say when you told them you were disappointed with their article selection?
@Gazes said:
Yeah. I'm guessing more ANA members are interested in walkers, st gaudens, etc than Hungary's disastrous hyperinflation. I know it's a stretch but I'll stick with it.
What did the ANA say when you told them you were disappointed with their article selection?
ooops. I didn't realize that I had to contact them first before posting on a coin forum. My bad.
@Gazes said:
Yeah. I'm guessing more ANA members are interested in walkers, st gaudens, etc than Hungary's disastrous hyperinflation. I know it's a stretch but I'll stick with it.
What did the ANA say when you told them you were disappointed with their article selection?
I've been a member for 41 years. I'm not sure how that is relevant to this discussion. Perhaps you should write a letter to the editor to explain your displeasure.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
@PerryHall said:
I've been a member for 41 years. I'm not sure how that is relevant to this discussion. Perhaps you should write a letter to the editor to explain your displeasure.
No thanks. I prefer to start a thread on a coin forum stating that I prefer less cover articles on esotoric areas such as Hungary's disatrous hyperinflation
I'm embarrassed to say I need to leave now and look at some old auction catalogs of the Bass gold sale (I find them to be very informative--suggest any gold coin collector buy a copy). I know I should really be reading last month's issue about company stores and scrip but Im narrow minded on loving US coins. Appreciate everyone's opinion. Sorry if I wanted to voice my thoughts on the substantive content of the Numismatist rather than writing my own articles, or contacting their editors first or performing a comprehensive survey of the interests of ANA members (and non ANA members who seem to have a stake what is in the organization's magazine). Thanks to everyone for being so open minded and accepting of another collector's viewpoint!
@PerryHall said:
I've been a member for 41 years. I'm not sure how that is relevant to this discussion. Perhaps you should write a letter to the editor to explain your displeasure.
No thanks. I prefer to start a thread on a coin forum stating that I prefer less cover articles on esotoric areas such as Hungary's disatrous hyperinflation
I tend to agree with Gazes. It's the AMERICAN Numismatic Association, not the FOREIGN Numismatic Association.
If someone here posted Hungarian items in the U.S. Coin forum instead of the World & Ancient Coins Forum the forum police (some who have posted in this thread disagreeing with Gazes) would have their tasers blazing.
Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.
@PerryHall said:
I've been a member for 41 years. I'm not sure how that is relevant to this discussion. Perhaps you should write a letter to the editor to explain your displeasure.
No thanks. I prefer to start a thread on a coin forum stating that I prefer less cover articles on esotoric areas such as Hungary's disatrous hyperinflation
So how will they know that's a problem? Unless...
I highly doubt contacting the editors of the Numismatist would be as rewarding or entertaining as posting my thoughts on this thread. Now, where is that article I was reading about bitcoin becoming the national currency of El Salvador....
Can you imagine the outrage if instead of calling this thread "a bit disappointed in the Numismatist" I had called it "extremely disappointed in the Numismatist "????
Yeah. I'm guessing more ANA members are interested in walkers, st gaudens, etc than Hungary's disastrous hyperinflation. I know it's a stretch but I'll stick with it.
You are probably correct, but I'll bet many members found the inflation story to be an interesting departure. I'll also bet that the magazine's archives are chock full of articles on these subjects.
@ms70 said:
I tend to agree with Gazes. It's the AMERICAN Numismatic Association, not the FOREIGN Numismatic Association.
If someone here posted Hungarian items in the U.S. Coin forum instead of the World & Ancient Coins Forum the forum police (some who have posted in this thread disagreeing with Gazes) would have their tasers blazing.
See my post above. From its founding it was the "American" - Numismatic association NOT the "American Numismatics" Association.
Their mission statement mentions numismatics NOT U.S. numismatics.
@CWT1863 said:
The title is The Numismatist. There is a lot more to numismatics than U.S. Coins. Also, numismatic is not just about collecting. I believe the official definition of numismatics is the study or act of collecting coins, paper money, tokens, and medals. A big part of numismatics is learning about the history and artistry of the items.
I personally find the Numismatist to be the best large scale publication in numismatics. Each issue usually has something interesting to read. Earlier today I actually wrote and submitted my first letter to the editor for The Numismatist in which I discussed the great magazine they produced every month especially their continued coverage of more esoteric topics such as tokens. The recent two-part series on company stores and scrip was of particular interest and am glad they continue to publish such interesting articles.
As others have said I am glad that my view of numismatics isn't so narrow. If an article isn't of interest just don't read it.
Published by the American Numismatic Association. Am I missing something If I were looking for a read about US coins would I go to the HNA. Hungarian Numismatic Association. No.
JBK history does repeat and those who fail to learn. Etc.
Yes, you are missing something. Something you could easily find if you simply looked. The ANA is not "American" because it is for "American" coins but because it is headquartered in the USA and was created for American collectors. It is for collectors of all types of material. Nowhere in their mission statement does it mention US coins and currency at all. See below.
Our Mission
The American Numismatic Association is a nonprofit educational organization dedicated to educating and encouraging people to study and collect money and related items. The Association serves the academic community, collectors and the general public with an interest in numismatics.
The ANA helps all people discover and explore the world of money through its vast array of programs including its education and outreach, museum, library, publications, conventions and seminars.
The founder, Dr. George Heath studied WORLD history through coins
Dr. George F. Heath of Monroe, Michigan, when not involved in his practice of medicine, gained a knowledge of world history by studying his collection of coins
ANA wrote:
Money of Empire: Elizabeth to Elizabeth
The British Empire, more than any other, set the stage for the modern world in which we live. From small origins during the late 16th century, the Empire expanded to become the largest empire in history and the most powerful global economic and military power for over a century. By 1913, Great Britain ruled over 23 percent of the world’s population (412 million people) and approximately 24 percent of the Earth's total land area. The sun truly never set on the Empire from the late 18th century to the mid-20th century. As a result, English has become the language of international communication and diplomacy, with British political, legal and cultural traditions leaving their legacy worldwide.
@PerryHall said:
I've been a member for 41 years. I'm not sure how that is relevant to this discussion. Perhaps you should write a letter to the editor to explain your displeasure.
No thanks. I prefer to start a thread on a coin forum stating that I prefer less cover articles on esotoric areas such as Hungary's disatrous hyperinflation
So how will they know that's a problem? Unless...
I highly doubt contacting the editors of the Numismatist would be as rewarding or entertaining as posting my thoughts on this thread. Now, where is that article I was reading about bitcoin becoming the national currency of El Salvador....
Just because I disagree doesn't mean I don't respect your opinion. For the record.
@CWT1863 said:
The title is The Numismatist. There is a lot more to numismatics than U.S. Coins. Also, numismatic is not just about collecting. I believe the official definition of numismatics is the study or act of collecting coins, paper money, tokens, and medals. A big part of numismatics is learning about the history and artistry of the items.
I personally find the Numismatist to be the best large scale publication in numismatics. Each issue usually has something interesting to read. Earlier today I actually wrote and submitted my first letter to the editor for The Numismatist in which I discussed the great magazine they produced every month especially their continued coverage of more esoteric topics such as tokens. The recent two-part series on company stores and scrip was of particular interest and am glad they continue to publish such interesting articles.
As others have said I am glad that my view of numismatics isn't so narrow. If an article isn't of interest just don't read it.
Published by the American Numismatic Association. Am I missing something If I were looking for a read about US coins would I go to the HNA. Hungarian Numismatic Association. No.
JBK history does repeat and those who fail to learn. Etc.
Yes, you are missing something. Something you could easily find if you simply looked. The ANA is not "American" because it is for "American" coins but because it is headquartered in the USA and was created for American collectors. It is for collectors of all types of material. Nowhere in their mission statement does it mention US coins and currency at all. See below.
Our Mission
The American Numismatic Association is a nonprofit educational organization dedicated to educating and encouraging people to study and collect money and related items. The Association serves the academic community, collectors and the general public with an interest in numismatics.
The ANA helps all people discover and explore the world of money through its vast array of programs including its education and outreach, museum, library, publications, conventions and seminars.
The founder, Dr. George Heath studied WORLD history through coins
Dr. George F. Heath of Monroe, Michigan, when not involved in his practice of medicine, gained a knowledge of world history by studying his collection of coins
ANA wrote:
Money of Empire: Elizabeth to Elizabeth
The British Empire, more than any other, set the stage for the modern world in which we live. From small origins during the late 16th century, the Empire expanded to become the largest empire in history and the most powerful global economic and military power for over a century. By 1913, Great Britain ruled over 23 percent of the world’s population (412 million people) and approximately 24 percent of the Earth's total land area. The sun truly never set on the Empire from the late 18th century to the mid-20th century. As a result, English has become the language of international communication and diplomacy, with British political, legal and cultural traditions leaving their legacy worldwide.
That's what I like about the ANA: there's room for everyone. They aren't just about U.S. coins.
That's pretty much my point. There's no way to satisfy everybody who wants more of what they prefer and less of what they don't.
If we want to grow the hobby maybe more lead articles that will motivate the majority and a few less lead articles highlighting the esoteric areas (and no I'm not saying no articles regarding these areas just less to reflect the collector base of the ANA)
Why would it be necessary or desirable to write or feature articles with the primary goal in mind of growing the hobby or “advancing the numismatic community” (whatever that means)? Why would I want to read what essentially amounts to propaganda—articles written with a biased underlying intent—rather than straight-forward, scholarly articles about topics that I may not have known about before? Why would I pay money for the former? The topics you listed as good candidates for cover articles—interviews with collectors/dealers, articles about the future of our hobby, the impact of shows on collecting—amount to opinion pieces. I think are already far too many opinion pieces on this very forum, and frankly I’m not really interested in hearing more. I’d rather have substance and esoteric information. It’s far more enriching.
@Gazes said:
I got this month's magazine of the Numismatist. The cover is titled "the death of money"--Hungary's Disastrous Hyperinflation.
The article is well written and interesting. However, the cover story for a magazine aimed at collectors about Hyperinflation in Hungary about 80 years ago? As a collector I would much prefer a cover story about an uber collector like the Tyrant or a collector I've never heard of or recent multi million dollar sales I'd coins or perhaps a collection that was put together with very little funds, etc.
Definitely not a cover story that makes me energized about coin collecting.
Have you thought of becoming a writer for The Numismatist?
@Gazes said:
I got this month's magazine of the Numismatist. The cover is titled "the death of money"--Hungary's Disastrous Hyperinflation.
The article is well written and interesting. However, the cover story for a magazine aimed at collectors about Hyperinflation in Hungary about 80 years ago? As a collector I would much prefer a cover story about an uber collector like the Tyrant or a collector I've never heard of or recent multi million dollar sales I'd coins or perhaps a collection that was put together with very little funds, etc.
Definitely not a cover story that makes me energized about coin collecting.
Everyone has their own idea on what they like to read about.
My impression was that The Numismatist that the ANA didn't focus on the very top end of collecting, but I could be wrong as I've seen very few issues.
For top collectors and multi million dollar sales, I would think something like the PGS Rare Coin Market Report is the place to go.
@Gazes said:
I got this month's magazine of the Numismatist. The cover is titled "the death of money"--Hungary's Disastrous Hyperinflation.
The article is well written and interesting. However, the cover story for a magazine aimed at collectors about Hyperinflation in Hungary about 80 years ago? As a collector I would much prefer a cover story about an uber collector like the Tyrant or a collector I've never heard of or recent multi million dollar sales I'd coins or perhaps a collection that was put together with very little funds, etc.
Definitely not a cover story that makes me energized about coin collecting.
Everyone has their own idea on what they like to read about.
My impression was that The Numismatist that the ANA didn't focus on the very top end of collecting, but I could be wrong as I've seen very few issues.
For top collectors and multi million dollar sales, I would think something like the PGS Rare Coin Market Report is the place to go.
I listed 4 alternatives in that post regarding an alternative Hungarian hyper inflation. Out of the 4, half had nothing to do with expensive coins: 1) a collector I've never heard of (could be any dollar amount ) and 2) a collection that was put together with little funds---the opposite of asking for an article about expensive coins or wealthy collectors.
Personally, I was hoping for a series of cover stories on some of the other great hyperinflationary periods in the last hundred years: Germany in the early 1920s, Romania after WWII, Zimbabwe in the early 2000s, and Venezuela (ongoing).
Those economic collapses left behind some great numismatic collectables.
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The article talked about the hyperinflation in terms of the higher denomination currency. It is very well illustrated with some very colorful notes. I don't think they'll mind if I steal this one page screen shot to show you.
Everyone has their preference. I think there was this rush to judgment against my OP. This idea that I only wanted articles about US circulation collector coins. I obviously didn't say that but I do want more. A quick look of covers for the last 7 months only had 2 cover stories about US circulation coins. Am i allowed to voice my support to have a few more cover stories about Walking Liberty Halves, Liberty gold coinage, proof type sets? I may be wrong but that may stir more interest than the cover of Medals of Isabel II.
That's pretty much my point. There's no way to satisfy everybody who wants more of what they prefer and less of what they don't.
If we want to grow the hobby maybe more lead articles that will motivate the majority and a few less lead articles highlighting the esoteric areas (and no I'm not saying no articles regarding these areas just less to reflect the collector base of the ANA)
No.
That depends on what she looks like.
Fair enough!
Do you have any data demonstrating what the collector base of the ANA prefers?
Really? Disappointed that this was the the featured article for the month. Be serious.
While you may have been disappointed, I think it was a fine choice. I learned some things about A new topic and with education being one of their missions, I think the ANA succeeded. It's good to be exposed to different areas of numismatics. Keeps you from getting stale and closed minded.
Now get off my lawn
Have you ever held a 15 million Mark German note and wondered how it came about? I had and searched out the answers.
I was unaware that Hungary had similar inflationary issues until The Numismatist laid the story into my lap with the history of escalating denominations along with images of some of those notes. I feel richer (smarter) for having read it.
I'm guessing that more than 28% (2 of 7 cover articles) prefer traditional US circulation coins. Also when I look at the ads in the Numismatist the majority and certainly the largest (and most expensive ) ones seemed aimed at US collectors who focus on the more traditional areas of the hobby.
So you're guessing, then? Ok.
Yeah. I'm guessing > @MasonG said:
Yeah. I'm guessing more ANA members are interested in walkers, st gaudens, etc than Hungary's disastrous hyperinflation. I know it's a stretch but I'll stick with it.
What did the ANA say when you told them you were disappointed with their article selection?
ooops. I didn't realize that I had to contact them first before posting on a coin forum. My bad.
You don't have to. Of course, there's no way for them to fix the problem if you don't tell them about it.
How long have you been a member of the ANA?
I'm not a member.
I rest my case.
???
Aside from complaining about an article and making an assumption about what most ANA members want to read about, you haven't really made a case.
The magazine will ALWAYS seek submissions. If you want articles on something different, write it.
ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
I've been a member for 41 years. I'm not sure how that is relevant to this discussion. Perhaps you should write a letter to the editor to explain your displeasure.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
No thanks. I prefer to start a thread on a coin forum stating that I prefer less cover articles on esotoric areas such as Hungary's disatrous hyperinflation
I'm embarrassed to say I need to leave now and look at some old auction catalogs of the Bass gold sale (I find them to be very informative--suggest any gold coin collector buy a copy). I know I should really be reading last month's issue about company stores and scrip but Im narrow minded on loving US coins. Appreciate everyone's opinion. Sorry if I wanted to voice my thoughts on the substantive content of the Numismatist rather than writing my own articles, or contacting their editors first or performing a comprehensive survey of the interests of ANA members (and non ANA members who seem to have a stake what is in the organization's magazine). Thanks to everyone for being so open minded and accepting of another collector's viewpoint!
So how will they know that's a problem? Unless...
Well, I did rescue 40 year's worth of their magazine from the landfill and find a home for them. So I think I'm entitled to partial credit, anyway.
I tend to agree with Gazes. It's the AMERICAN Numismatic Association, not the FOREIGN Numismatic Association.
If someone here posted Hungarian items in the U.S. Coin forum instead of the World & Ancient Coins Forum the forum police (some who have posted in this thread disagreeing with Gazes) would have their tasers blazing.
Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.
I highly doubt contacting the editors of the Numismatist would be as rewarding or entertaining as posting my thoughts on this thread. Now, where is that article I was reading about bitcoin becoming the national currency of El Salvador....
Can you imagine the outrage if instead of calling this thread "a bit disappointed in the Numismatist" I had called it "extremely disappointed in the Numismatist "????
It's already been mentioned in a couple posts above, but here it is again:
American Numismatic Association means it's a numismatic association in America. The ANA's charter does not limit it to US coins.
That should not be confused with an Association of American Numismatics, which would be an organization dedicated to US issues.
You are probably correct, but I'll bet many members found the inflation story to be an interesting departure. I'll also bet that the magazine's archives are chock full of articles on these subjects.
Yes i saw that. Thanks.
Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.
See my post above. From its founding it was the "American" - Numismatic association NOT the "American Numismatics" Association.
Their mission statement mentions numismatics NOT U.S. numismatics.
Agree. Just check out this page on UK coins!
https://money.org/money-museum/virtual-exhibits/moe
Just because I disagree doesn't mean I don't respect your opinion. For the record.
That's what I like about the ANA: there's room for everyone. They aren't just about U.S. coins.
Why would it be necessary or desirable to write or feature articles with the primary goal in mind of growing the hobby or “advancing the numismatic community” (whatever that means)? Why would I want to read what essentially amounts to propaganda—articles written with a biased underlying intent—rather than straight-forward, scholarly articles about topics that I may not have known about before? Why would I pay money for the former? The topics you listed as good candidates for cover articles—interviews with collectors/dealers, articles about the future of our hobby, the impact of shows on collecting—amount to opinion pieces. I think are already far too many opinion pieces on this very forum, and frankly I’m not really interested in hearing more. I’d rather have substance and esoteric information. It’s far more enriching.
Gobrecht's Engraved Mature Head Large Cent Model
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Have you thought of becoming a writer for The Numismatist?
Everyone has their own idea on what they like to read about.
My impression was that The Numismatist that the ANA didn't focus on the very top end of collecting, but I could be wrong as I've seen very few issues.
For top collectors and multi million dollar sales, I would think something like the PGS Rare Coin Market Report is the place to go.
I listed 4 alternatives in that post regarding an alternative Hungarian hyper inflation. Out of the 4, half had nothing to do with expensive coins: 1) a collector I've never heard of (could be any dollar amount ) and 2) a collection that was put together with little funds---the opposite of asking for an article about expensive coins or wealthy collectors.
Personally, I was hoping for a series of cover stories on some of the other great hyperinflationary periods in the last hundred years: Germany in the early 1920s, Romania after WWII, Zimbabwe in the early 2000s, and Venezuela (ongoing).
Those economic collapses left behind some great numismatic collectables.