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1938-D Buffalo Nickel RPM: NEW - Another One! See End of Thread

ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,010 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited September 1, 2021 8:44PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Through my 10x glass I thought this was a D/S. I took this photo, and now I don't know what it is -- D/D? Let me know what you think!

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  • HalfDimeDudeHalfDimeDude Posts: 1,206 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 19, 2021 5:01PM

    RPM 009 D/D East or 006 East can you post the full reverse? Thanks

    "That's why I wander and follow La Vie Dansante"

  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 9,084 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 19, 2021 7:36PM

    I'd go with VV 009. MintMark touching the E. For pinpointing wich RPM you may have you have to match the MintMark location.
    http://www.varietyvista.com/03 Buffalo Nickels/1938DRPM009.htm

    "When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"

  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,010 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @HalfDimeDude said:
    RPM 009 D/D East or 006 East can you post the full reverse? Thanks

    Here is the full reverse:

  • HalfDimeDudeHalfDimeDude Posts: 1,206 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow that D is smashed!
    This is a tough one, but im going with 009 the reason. Is the mm postion and the C in cents. Notice the placement of the mm touches the E foot, however the C in the lower loop has a slight dent in it. At 2 k off the D loop.
    9 times out of 10 I can id the 38 D buffalo in a mannor of one look.I will admit this one is the exception not the rule.

    "That's why I wander and follow La Vie Dansante"

  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,010 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 20, 2021 4:30AM

    Yes, this one seems weird. The D looks a lot fatter than the illustration for the 009. In the middle of the D it looks like a finger sticking out and is not vertical, which is why I originally thought it was a D/S under the 10x glass. I submitted this one and another as "D/S" to PCGS and was denied on both. Here is the other one, which I think is clearly a D/S, but you tell me:

  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,010 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I just checked the 38-D/S OMM listing on Variety Vista:

    http://www.varietyvista.com/03 Buffalo Nickels/OMMs 1938-D.htm

    The second coin (pictured immediately above) is likely the OMM-004. Is the first coin possibly the OMM-005?

  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,496 ✭✭✭✭✭

    IMHOP I don't think it's an RPM or OMM at all.

    I think it's just the strike in that area, which often times ends up strangely rendered due to location.

    Look at how flat the bottoms of the "T" and "S" in CENTS are struck. The area between the FIVE CENTS and the rim, including the mintmark, are struck flat and elongated.

    This also includes the mintmark.

    The above mintmark from a 1921-S is similar.

    Hope this helps.

    Pete

    "I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,010 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 20, 2021 2:25PM

    @BuffaloIronTail said:
    IMHOP I don't think it's an RPM or OMM at all.

    I think it's just the strike in that area, which often times ends up strangely rendered due to location.

    Look at how flat the bottoms of the "T" and "S" in CENTS are struck. The area between the FIVE CENTS and the rim, including the mintmark, are struck flat and elongated.

    This also includes the mintmark.

    The above mintmark from a 1921-S is similar.

    Hope this helps.

    Pete

    Thanks, I think you may be right. It does not look like any of the RPMs or OMMs listed. While PCGS was right in not attributing the coin in the OP, I think it tainted their review of the other one which is a clear D/S. I will now need to re-submit that one and I will include a copy of my photo. I had 2 D/D's in that submission as well, at least they got those right :D

  • HalfDimeDudeHalfDimeDude Posts: 1,206 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Connecticoin said:
    Yes, this one seems weird. The D looks a lot fatter than the illustration for the 009. In the middle of the D it looks like a finger sticking out and is not vertical, which is why I originally thought it was a D/S under the 10x glass. I submitted this one and another as "D/S" to PCGS and was denied on both. Here is the other one, which I think is clearly a D/S, but you tell me:

    That is the D/S

    "That's why I wander and follow La Vie Dansante"

  • HalfDimeDudeHalfDimeDude Posts: 1,206 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The op coin maybe be damage as stated above. The mm position makes me believe its what I first believed it to be. Now what has me going nuts are the die cracks...as im having a senior moment as they are a pup on another buffalo variety that at the present I cannot recall!
    Duh...

    "That's why I wander and follow La Vie Dansante"

  • HalfDimeDudeHalfDimeDude Posts: 1,206 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 20, 2021 3:28PM

    I had a run in with Anacs over two buffalos 38 D's after giving them the varieties and paying their fee...they refused to put the varieties on the slab!
    Im guessing someone didn't want the two coins one a 67 the other a 68 to give me the extra juice!
    However they have lost my business forever ....and to be perfectly honest i was in such disbelief, however when you pay $10 @ coin for it to be graded by a company like Anacs don't expect much.....you get what you pay for.
    Go figure right the top two TPG's charge 3x's but at least you get an honest grade,and service.
    The sad part is that Ive been an Anacs fan for many years collecting.
    In fact the Anacs local rep gave me some free passes to have some more graded....I handed them back thank you...but no thanks!

    "That's why I wander and follow La Vie Dansante"

  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,010 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @HalfDimeDude said:
    I had a run in with Anacs over two buffalos 38 D's after giving them the varieties and paying their fee...they refused to put the varieties on the slab!
    Im guessing someone didn't want the two coins one a 67 the other a 68 to give me the extra juice!
    However they have lost my business forever ....and to be perfectly honest i was in such disbelief, however when you pay $10 @ coin for it to be graded by a company like Anacs don't expect much.....you get what you pay for.
    Go figure right the top two TPG's charge 3x's but at least you get an honest grade,and service.
    The sad part is that Ive been an Anacs fan for many years collecting.
    In fact the Anacs local rep gave me some free passes to have some more graded....I handed them back thank you...but no thanks!

    Well, what is nice is that the "Redbook" varieties like the 38 D/S Buff and the 46-P DDR Walker get attributed for "free" by PCGS without having to use the variety service. I thought about sending in the missed D/S as a "mechanical error" re-label, but I saw a small green spot on the coin, so I am going to give it a long acetone soak and then re-submit and attach the D/S closeup photo to the flip.

  • HalfDimeDudeHalfDimeDude Posts: 1,206 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yeah but Anacs put the exact number and variety on the slab.....well thats went Anacs knew what it was doing ! Like I said I truned down free coupons...not that they would honor them...as the coupons they gave away one year were worthless as they did not honour the deal.

    "That's why I wander and follow La Vie Dansante"

  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,010 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2, 2021 8:11AM

    Here is another one - the closest from Variety Vista is the FS-513 OMM. But honestly I cannot tell if it is an OMM or an RPM. Maybe a D/D/D?

  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,010 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @HalfDimeDude said:
    Yeah but Anacs put the exact number and variety on the slab.....well thats went Anacs knew what it was doing ! Like I said I truned down free coupons...not that they would honor them...as the coupons they gave away one year were worthless as they did not honour the deal.

    Paging HalfDimeDude and other Buff experts B)

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