THE joRDAN jUMP
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How far down do you think the 86 fleer's will jump....the rise was too much too fast.
Will be interesting to see the cards at the national and what people are willing to let them go with.
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im sure im not alone, but im actually tired of the 86 jordan. monumental card for sure, but its not rare. and its certainly not the tell tale, end-all, final word catalyst for the overall market that everyone keeps trying to force upon it.
every card, in each grade, even the strength of the particular card in that grade mixed w the timing of said card’s auction along with how many are running near the same time are all independent factors on how well a card does. throw in fake sales & shills and there can be a 40% swing depending on these factors. certainly doesnt mean the sky has fallen.
newbs havent figured this out yet and continue to only focus on the flip, the final price & consider it gospel. unfortunately its why a lot of them might end up getting burned. hopefully they stick around, live/learn the hard way & consider it a valuable lesson. it is what it is. weve all been there in someway or another. i know i have. silver lining is it only makes you wiser.
I agree with you....as I have commented here many times, I have owned and sold a few Jordan rookies and each time I did so happily. They are certainly not rare cards, but like you say they are monumental and iconic and at this stage of the game I would like to get my hands on a fleer just for the PC.
warren buffett & his team are smart enough to know they cant ever predict the floor or ceiling. so all youll do is end up driving yourself crazy trying. the best thing to do is just wait. once you see a STEADY pattern of actual sales increasing, then buy back in. there are several auction houses that may boast a sale signaling an increase…dont fall for it.
same exact thing goes for selling off.
The swing might have approached upwards of 70% due to "fake" 10 sales (bumped up by shilling) in Jan and Feb. Manipulation at its finest. Those behind all of it might have spent in the upper 6 figures (including buying up 7's,8's,9's for around a year) but they easily had returns in the 7 figures.
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
I don’t like to say it because I know there are a lot of guys here that love them, but I feel the same way about most Mantles. It’s like great songs that have been overplayed for years. They are great, but I don’t feel the need to hear them much anymore.
I got my heritage catalog yesterday and I think I counted a dozen Jordan's. That's just 1 auction. I don't have the energy to track it but it sure feels like most catalogs have at least a 1/2 dozen jordan's and there seems to be a catalog auction almost every week these days. I think that is why I never really got too excited to get one or to chase them. I would rather have a nice Lew.
so interesting to hear the thoughts here....yes the Jordan market is flooded with counterfeits, authentic, shill bids and hi grade cards...for someone looking to flip I think that ship may have sailed as people who bought high may be holding or trying to recoup....but when you look at the prices of some of the newer 1/1 RPA's SP cards I really would rather have an iconic MJ..
Agreed.
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Every time I say I want to pick one up, I decide to put my money elsewhere. Sure it has gone through the moon and it is an iconic card but if I want one, I will buy one someday. This screen shot is why , look at the number available for purchase at the moment which is what it has been like once prices started to increase. Staggering
wow...thats a good point. what website is that a screenshot from?
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keep in mind its also one of the most altered cards out there. there was a guy out there that scooped up hundreds of 6-8s, cracked them out, did the dirty & then resubbed them to various companies. dont want to go into specifics but a simple google search will net you the results fairly easily.
definitely do your due diligence when buying anything 7 and up.
wow....thats a crazy story. I will google, but im assuming he cracked them because they weren't PSA or BGS grades originally
just google it. use robert block as well. prolly closer to 4 or 500 actually.
I am okay not owning a Jordan RC...as stated, not rare and; therefore, overpriced. I will stay with vintage baseball cards...in high grade (PSA 8, 8.5 and 9).
Every chat board on FB or whatever I see people are soliciting will trade for 57. Trade my Mantles, Curry, Brady blah blah. demand, demand, demand. It may waver a bit, however an iconic card is an iconic card and this is one
If PSA a ever grades the Star rookies - that is the card everyone will shift to In my opinion.
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the 86 fleer will always be the 52t. not to take away anything from the star.
Maybe so - but growing up in Chicago in the 80s nobody called the Fleer Jordan's rookie. Unfortunately I collect baseball and hockey so never bought one - but the Star Rookie was pretty available at shows here.
Incidentally I would rather have a '51 Bowman Mantle than a '52 Topps. I don't have the funds for either - but I would buy the '51 Mantle and the tougher '52 Topps Mathews (true rookie) with my $ instead.
I guess this would be the “3rd” rookie of his Airness but it is the one I like best; year, pose and back are all pretty solid and representative of the young superstar and the Nike connection is the clincher…
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As a huge Mickey Mantle guy, I will only say I have complete respect for your opinion. I love beautiful cards and don’t tire of them so the ‘86 Fleer Jordan, which certainly qualifies, has a standalone appeal that is hard to deny. Maybe it’s all the covers and references and posted images but it’s been burned into my minds eye. And a casual look around will tell you that collecting this set is not niche - people love the set in ways not often seen with other sets from the 1980s. I have no noteworthy 1986 Fleer basketball cards graded or otherwise - this is just an observation from years of collecting. (Sidebar: My small handful of basketball cards are Larry Bird Magic Johnson related and I foolishly sold the Bird-Dr. J-Magic rookie to get a Mantle I wanted thinking I’d circle back. STOOPID TIMMY!). So the Jordan, as the key card in a popular collector set, will always be very desirable regardless of its Rookie status.
So, I would also say that Mickey’s base cards tend to be the most expensive non rookie in every set from 1953-69. There’s a lot that goes into a cards ‘value’, of course, but I think when you’re looking at his cards it is also the set itself that really matters. Topps has obviously produced lots of card designs and product lines but the popularity of the Heritage line opened my eyes to the fact that people certainly have some consistently favorite designs. I don’t have the iconic ‘52 to share but the rest of these cards are appealing to many people simply because they’re in an original and iconic Topps designed set and that alone makes them coveted regardless of the player popularity. While I have my own personal favorites (all of them), it seems the top five baseball designs in Topps’ vintage era are ‘52, ‘53, ‘56, ‘62 and ‘69.
Again, the card design and the fact that these sets are crazy popular help make the ‘86 Fleer Jordan and those five Mickey’s a little extra special, as much as the player themselves. As I often have to remind myself, there are plenty of people who don’t like the sports, per se, but still love the cards.
Just my two cents…and four cards. 😉
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Of course it is subjective, but I don’t think the 1969 set is anywhere close to being in the top five designs for vintage Topps sets. Along with 1968, it is one of my least favorites.
It’s not a favorite of mine, either. I’m just basing it on what I’ve seen from collector comments over the years regarding the 1952-1969 time period.
And if I’m wrong, it’s surely not the first time. 😁
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No love for the 58 Mick?
The Mantle is great, too, but I prefer the Maris…😉
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Yep. Taking mine to Chicago next week to get it reviewed before possibly listing it. Not sure why this one is not an 8/8.5 and also had one of FnF major AH’s state the same. Fingers crossed.
See y’all in a few days!
So what does everyone think of this eBay sale? I’ll hold my opinion for awhile.
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Gettting back to the thread title..I’m seeing the 85 Jordan nike in a 9 grade from BGS get close to 3k,,,,,, is that a desireable card?
Yesterday an 8.5 86 fleer in psa went for 12500