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1922-D Lincoln Cent- Die Pair 2 EDS?

cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 8,044 ✭✭✭✭✭

I picked this up at a shop earlier today because I found it interesting. It has a strong reverse and the obverse displays many of the PUP's for die pair 2, along with a 'weak' D mintmark that appears to be on its way to being polished off the die entirely. 'Liberty' and the date are very close (though the L doesn't touch the rim) and the motto is a bit stronger, but I'm wondering if this is because this is an earlier die state of DP 2 before the mintmark was fully gone and the die continued to erode.

I did find this post here from 2006, in which Conder101 states that all of the no D and weak D obverse dies at one time had a D mintmark, and 2's was eventually polished off completely: https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/464138/whats-the-difference-between-the-1922-quot-weak-d-quot-and-quot-no-d-weak-reverse-quot

Conder101 did say that the obverse was paired with a new reverse die after the mintmark was polished off, but dies can be removed and polished multiple times (the 1921-S Morgan Thronhead series comes to mind).

Is anyone aware of a 1922-D Weak D die pair 2 or any additional die markers that can be used to verify the obverse? With the D there, not much of a premuim is expected, just curious about the forums' thoughs on this piece and my theory about it...


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    Off_Cent_erOff_Cent_er Posts: 164 ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 18, 2021 12:59PM

    It isnt the die pair 2. The die was heavily polished after a significant clash, where the D was removed. On die pair 2 WE would be very weak and mushy while TRUST would be sharper. The second 2 in the date is is sharper than the first.

    There are numerous 22 D's with weakly struck mintmarks. They dont fall into any of the other 3 die pairs with "weak" D's either. Yours seems to be just a normal 22 D in my opinion.

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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    i've used this for years. never took the time to make my own. it is best to do the process of elimination, imo.

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,864 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have specimens of this die pair in my 1922 reference collection, and I have never been able to identify it or any other die pair as an earlier die state of Die Pair #2.

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    shortnockshortnock Posts: 497 ✭✭✭

    Forget the coin...admire the killer-diller photos.

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