Slabbed 09S-VDB ebay listings, Am I seeing things? (I'm not sure)
MarkW63
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I've known based on information from this forum that they're counterfeit coins in counterfeit slabs, well I've been also looking at (for) an 09S-VDB just that way, I'm certain they're out there.
Here is one that I found that possibly (?????) has the period following the D in the wrong location, but its not a great picture for sure. So, I got to looking at the slab to which I'm less of an expert on spotting.
So, for conversation I decided to post this listing here and get others take on it, is it real or fake? (counterfeit)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/384211738490?hash=item5974cddf7a:g:gfwAAOSwnuBgv7Bv
I added the line I tried to keep it up out of the way, but is it pointing to the period following the "D"? Or is the plastic window of the slab messing with the image?
Here I thought the paper used for the label seemed to look cheesy?
Also, I don't know about the coin in the holder actually making an XF grade?
(all are just questions)
Mark
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Comments
step 1 & 2, bar code scans and the cert runs ok.
next, can we prove the coin?
edited:
there is a 22 no D in about the same/same holder gen.
feedback is extensive but these items are not the norm.
sold items
"Am I seeing things? (I'm not sure)"
If you're not sure, it would seem to be unfair to the seller to post a link to his coin, suggesting that it's possibly counterfeit.
Just sayin'.
I never suggested it was a fake or counterfeit, I said possibly.
I'm not an expert but I'm working on becoming more informed to the world of fakes & counterfeits.
I stated I posted it here for conversation, the experts reside here!
Its a topic for conversation!
The seller isn't effected by our discussion unless some experts here see something that they deem fake or counterfeit about it and then they do what they do.
A few months back now I watched a youtube video that a coin dealer put up talking about fake & counterfeit coins and he stated that he has some recent counterfeits that were so good that he believed it possible that "Some" were so good that they could make it through "Some" grading services.
So, the title thread I posted was in tended to exercise the minds and eye's of the experts here and help others to be more informed (educated), nothing more!
Yes, there has been many 09S-VDB's that I've found that really questionable that I post here that have lead to their listing being taken down, thus far everyone here has seemed thankful for my post and me spotting the fake/counterfeits, there has been maybe two that was let ride and the sellers sold their coins without interference from anyone here on the forum.
Here is one case in point that was passed by the forum and SOLD for a really high price. And I only posted it as "Questionable"
So, whenever I post an ebay listing on here I'm never the one to report it to ebay, I leave that to the much more qualified here.
I'd love to have your input in ALL my discussions that would be great, but I fully understand if you'd rather keep your experience to yourself and not bother at all with these types of discussions, especially if you see them as a wast of time.
Thank you for your time and your comment!
"I Prefer Dangerous Freedom Over Peaceful Slavery"
Thomas Jefferson!
Going back in time.
A long time back now I posted these images, they were not on ebay. The forum feedback I got ended up being that the slabs were counterfeited and so were the coins.
Yes! at the time I thought they were real, that's when I first learned about the counterfeit slabs.
And they scan and come back as a real listed graded coin.
"I Prefer Dangerous Freedom Over Peaceful Slavery"
Thomas Jefferson!
I'm guessing it's the picture that makes the period look out of place. The other picture looks OK. And looks to be obverse die #4 - wish pictures were clearer but looks good. Interesting what others will say.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Yes, which is what I wrote: "suggesting that it's possibly counterfeit."
Or some wannabe experts do what they do when provided with a link to an eBay listing, which you conveniently included in your post. And then, the seller is affected. eBay collects and acts on reports, they don't have authenticators.
How about gathering some actual evidence before dragging an unsuspecting (and innocent until proven guilty) party into the discussion?
@MarkW63 - "Also, I don't know about the coin in the holder actually making an XF grade?"
The wheat stalks look to have alot of detail on them. The other pic is just to blurry to make a decision but XF seems possible.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Thank You, that's good to know!
"I Prefer Dangerous Freedom Over Peaceful Slavery"
Thomas Jefferson!
Yep, most everything going on with forum's like this is 'Learning' and examples that comes from all kinds of "Public" accessible places and sites.
Like this one that Great Southern Coins had listed!
"I Prefer Dangerous Freedom Over Peaceful Slavery"
Thomas Jefferson!
How about if someone wants any ebay links they don't need me to find them, all ebay listings are PUBLIC not private!
So, who would be here lurking, waiting, and looking for ebay links for them to pounce on when they have their own access to as many ebay listing and links that they want?
Its not like I provided someone's personal identity.
Its entirely possible that I've help sell more coins than I've listed here that got taken down.
On occasion I've ask if it was okay to post these links of questionable fake/counterfeits on the forum and no one objected, some have thank me when one of them turns out to be fake and an open discussion takes place about it.
In all the cases where I felt the coin was likely a fake or counterfeit I've stated as such. In most of those cases others here (long time standing members) have agreed and someone (whoever) got the listings taken down.
Cases in point, (just some of them)
"I Prefer Dangerous Freedom Over Peaceful Slavery"
Thomas Jefferson!
GSC is too busy cleaning their coins and enhancing their photos to notice if the coins are fake or not - LOL! They don't have the best reputation.......
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
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Has anyone here ever seen a coin like an 09S-VDB fake in a fake slab, or do the counterfeiters reserve those for coins like Silver Dollars?
I mean its not like the King Of Lincoln's isn't also the number one US counterfeited coin.
"I Prefer Dangerous Freedom Over Peaceful Slavery"
Thomas Jefferson!
GC is not a place I'd deal with unless I could cherrypick 'em. And I've cherrypicked 'em.
A fellow forum member has cherrypicked the hell out of them. That's a GOOD thing!