ATS registry sets have the CAC symbol added today
Mr_Spud
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FYI - I just looked at my circulated type set ATS and the little CAC symbol has been added today. My ranking didn’t change though. I’m not sure how many points they added. I only have about 10 CAC coins though. Most of my slabbed coins were slabbed before CAC existed and I never felt the need to submit them.
Here’s one of them so you can see how they are displaying the sticker. 
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If you click the set history tab and look at 5/18 you can see how much each CAC'd coin increased in points.
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Thanks. So unless I’m missing something it looks like they only added 1 point for the CAC
If that’s the case I probably won’t be tempted to submit my older slabbed coins to CAC anytime soon 🌞
Mr_Spud
I said this in another thread, but to an outsider, their decision seems a bit odd.
"We will award you this many points for the coin we professionally graded, but if you submit the coin to a third party and they think we got it super-duper right we will give you even more points."
The points vary quite a bit, I had some that only received a couple of points and others that bumped by hundreds. In looking thru the changes it seems that a gold bean receives the same point score that a +* graded coin does and the green bean receives a point bump that is somewhere in between the base grade score and that gold bean score. So the coins that got the biggest bumps are the coins where the point scores between grades have big differences.
In the case of the coin you posted the difference in points between a 58 and 58+* must be very small for this date/series.
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Agree with @BryceM . That was my exact reasoning as well, posted on their forums & said it was a poor decision imo. Cool to acknowledge CAC'd pieces in the set for sure, but don't really agree with the points increase. Just says "hey we can't do our job consistently so send your coins to this third party for yet another fee and get more points". I think mathematically quantifying that those coins are better is just a really bizarre choice, especially since in theory being green beaned just means those coins are solid for the grade, not typically some crazy premium quality coin. Hope our host doesn't follow suit.
I think it's just all in fun, as I don't take the Registry that seriously. I like to showcase and complete my set....Other than that; I don't really care a lot. Sure, I compete but I'll never be #1 again. I only have 19 out 65 CAC Walkers, in the full set, and the point adjustment is minor (to me). I got about 5000 extra points total. So yeah...It's cool and I have no issue with it.
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https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/
I agree with you from a business integrity perspective but given the weight the registries have on the market, I suspect they made the Calculus that it would steer traffic and add value to their holders if more participants were looking for them.
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I don't think it is that odd - both NGC and PCGS are now acknowledging that CAC is not only a market maker, but registry participants want their coins with beans as well. Just the way it is... I think it would be more odd if both chose to ignore CAC.
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Remember that most coins listed on coin-facts are in someone's competitive & public registry set.
What would happen if they all decided to "take their ball" and go home?
I trust a + over a sticker just as I would trust 3 graders over 1.
No way should JA be given as much credibility as PCGS.
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I support any person’s perspective on CAC as being right or wrong for him/her. However I am not seeing the value of multiple grade opinions over one when the correct perspective seems to favor the quality of the grading regardless of source. From a most basic perspective, it seems that PCGS makes more money for a higher grade, or a reconsideration, where as JA pays for his opinion, and pays even more for a gold sticker opinion.
I am also pretty sure that the fine print of any NGC or PCGS submission/membership policy states that they assert the right to image submitted coins and use those images for various purposes into the future. I am open to correction if someone knows this to not be the case.
Lastly, credibility can be given, just like respect, but neither really counts when given, only when earned. I value JAs opinion and feel his credibility is well earned and will pay for it. If you don’t, then you are right not to value it highly, or at all.
We have all seen coins that, over time, have migrated ever upward in grade in ever newer PCGS holders, so It seems that PCGS is comfortable that their grading is subject to change. I like as many of my coins to be CAC as possible, but I do not support giving CAC coins more registry points per se.
Registry sets for NGC or PCGS should be level playing fields and any participant should have the option of competing against sets where they are not obligated to engage a different business and spend money there to maximize their standing.
Rather, I support the current PCGS CAC Only sets approach. In these, you have to have a sticker to add a coin to your set so you only compete against others willing to spend the time, money, and effort. Within those sets, I would support a coin with a gold CAC sticker being valued as a coin at the next highest grade. This would value the differences, allow level playing fields for all, and prevent lots of cool old holders with gold CAC sticker from being cracked out to receive a higher numerical score.
Edit: typo