My first private treaty, and a mini-completion: Cents of 1839

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brianc1959
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edited March 12, 2021 10:35PM in U.S. Coin Forum

I've always thought the phrase "private treaty" sounded way too fancy, but if the shoe fits . . .

In my case, I was fortunate to work out a deal for an 1839 head of '38 large cent with a gracious member who posts here as "coinnut". As I posted recently, I'm working on an 1839 mint set with varieties that is likely impossible to complete due to a certain half dollar. But at least I've managed to get all five major cent varieties from this interesting transition year: https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/mysetregistry/album/showcase/6612 .

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  • CalifornianKing
    CalifornianKing Posts: 1,259 ✭✭✭✭
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    Cool! I mean its possible if your refering to the 1839O but expensive, not sure about varietys tho.

  • brianc1959
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    @CalifornianKing said:
    Cool! I mean its possible if your refering to the 1839O but expensive, not sure about varietys tho.

    Its the 1839 small letters variety that has me worried. According to CoinFacts the total population may be as many as 50, but that may be based on an optimistic hunch that more coins will turn up as more people search for them. AFAIK only a dozen or so have been found so far, sort of putting it into 1804 dollar territory and way out of my league.

  • ricko
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    Congratulations on your 'mini-completion'... Always a good feeling as a collection progresses. Good luck with the rest. Cheers, RickO

  • cardinal
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    Awesome! I'm a big fan of the 1839 Cents!

  • LanceNewmanOCC
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    is it just me or does that link not work?

    now i'm frustrated. I WANTED SOME CHOCOLATE!

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    Link doesn't work!

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  • CalifornianKing
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    @brianc1959 said:

    @CalifornianKing said:
    Cool! I mean its possible if your refering to the 1839O but expensive, not sure about varietys tho.

    Its the 1839 small letters variety that has me worried. According to CoinFacts the total population may be as many as 50, but that may be based on an optimistic hunch that more coins will turn up as more people search for them. AFAIK only a dozen or so have been found so far, sort of putting it into 1804 dollar territory and way out of my league.

    Cool! I mean their's not as many variety collectors so you have that going for you?

  • brianc1959
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    @LanceNewmanOCC said:
    is it just me or does that link not work?

    now i'm frustrated. I WANTED SOME CHOCOLATE!

    I'm frustrated too. I thought that I had created a Showcase that I could easily link to, but apparently I have no idea what I'm doing. Can't find any instructions, either. I can see it when I'm signed in, but apparently its just a private thing to be used only for editing. ?????

  • LanceNewmanOCC
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    @brianc1959 said:

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    it looks somewhat like a generic link that will take anyone signed in to their own page? or perhaps it is just broken? if you post a couple/few links, i'm sure we can figure it out.

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  • MFeld
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    @brianc1959 said:
    I've always thought the phrase "private treaty" sounded way too fancy, but if the shoe fits . . .

    In my case, I was fortunate to work out a deal for an 1839 head of '38 large cent with a gracious member who posts here as "coinnut". As I posted recently, I'm working on an 1839 mint set with varieties that is likely impossible to complete due to a certain half dollar. But at least I've managed to get all five major cent varieties from this interesting transition year: https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/mysetregistry/album/showcase/6612 .

    Congratulations.

    Was that really the first time you bought a coin other than via a public auction?

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  • brianc1959
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    @LanceNewmanOCC said:

    @brianc1959 said:

    .
    it looks somewhat like a generic link that will take anyone signed in to their own page? or perhaps it is just broken? if you post a couple/few links, i'm sure we can figure it out.

    I'm giving up on showcases - I thought it would be a handy feature, but I just can't figure it out. This is the larger 1839 set that has the same coins: https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/mint-sets/1839-mint-set-gold-major-varieties/album/171030 .

  • brianc1959
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    @MFeld said:

    @brianc1959 said:
    I've always thought the phrase "private treaty" sounded way too fancy, but if the shoe fits . . .

    In my case, I was fortunate to work out a deal for an 1839 head of '38 large cent with a gracious member who posts here as "coinnut". As I posted recently, I'm working on an 1839 mint set with varieties that is likely impossible to complete due to a certain half dollar. But at least I've managed to get all five major cent varieties from this interesting transition year: https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/mysetregistry/album/showcase/6612 .

    Congratulations.

    Was that really the first time you bought a coin other than via a public auction?

    Actually, now that I think about it my mother took me to a coin show about 50 years ago, and she encouraged me to haggle over the price of some Lincoln cents that I liked. I suppose that also might count as a private treaty.

  • BryceM
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    Cool set idea.

    I agree about the “private treaty” thing. It sounds like you have to smoke a peace pipe or sign in blood.

    Shoot, earlier today I obtained a sandwich and bag of chips by private treaty.

  • brianc1959
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    @BryceM said:
    Cool set idea.

    I agree about the “private treaty” thing. It sounds like you have to smoke a peace pipe or sign in blood.

    Shoot, earlier today I obtained a sandwich and bag of chips by private treaty.

    The peace pipe sounds like fun - but forget about the blood!

  • coinnut
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    edited March 13, 2021 8:05PM
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    1839 is my favorite year. A lot of changes that year.

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    @coinnut said:
    1839 is my favorite year. A lot of changes that year.

    Same here. Actually the whole transitional period from 1836-1841 has a lot of interesting varieties, but ‘39 is definitely my favorite, especially for the large cents. I posted mine a few years back.... the 39/6 was the toughie.

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  • AuldFartte
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    That's a great set! As an LC collector, I can really appreciate the '39s. Well done!

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  • jedm
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    edited March 14, 2021 8:21AM
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    I'm a fan of the large cents of that year and of private treaties. Yours are exceptional!

  • MFeld
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    edited March 14, 2021 8:22AM
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    @BryceM said:
    Cool set idea.

    I agree about the “private treaty” thing. It sounds like you have to smoke a peace pipe or sign in blood.

    Shoot, earlier today I obtained a sandwich and bag of chips by private treaty.

    I had a feeling you’d eventually end up purchasing the sandwich and chips that way, after I saw you get outbid for them multiple times on eBay.😉

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  • bidask
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    Congratulations ! Impressive set.

    What about a gobrecht dollar ?

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  • brianc1959
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    @Walkerguy21D said:

    @coinnut said:
    1839 is my favorite year. A lot of changes that year.

    Same here. Actually the whole transitional period from 1836-1841 has a lot of interesting varieties, but ‘39 is definitely my favorite, especially for the large cents. I posted mine a few years back.... the 39/6 was the toughie.

    I notice there are quite a few 39/6's on the market right now, but none above VF35. The 39/8 that I got from coinnut was the cent I had to wait for.> @bidask said:

    Congratulations ! Impressive set.

    What about a gobrecht dollar ?

    There's a nice MS64 1839 G.d. about to be auctioned on Great Collections in a few hours, but it's gone up too high.

  • yosclimber
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    edited March 14, 2021 11:13PM
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    This link works, although it includes years earlier than 1839:
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/half-cents/large-cents-major-sets/large-cents-major-varieties-circulation-strikes-1816-1839/imagegallery/196854

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