Is a poorly struck UHR an oxymoron?
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Looks like die wear not a poor strike. It is almost like a grease filled die. I have my UHR in hand and it is in between both strikes. To be honest I have never even looked at the crispness of the UHR strikes. I will now look.
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Of note the rays look better on one and the wing better on the other so it must be one of the examples that the die broke and only got 6 strikes
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How many times did they need to strike an UHR to get it fully struck? I imagine more than once.
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It took a lifetime to buy one. It's an AU details 'mount removed" coin. So a humble example.
I believe NINE. With annealing between each strike
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They 'annealed' them each strike?
Were there even enough of these struck to cause die wear? I know each coin was struck multiple times but even considering this?
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Good question - but to me looking at the photos, that looks like die wear. I totally could be wrong but the depth of strike looks to be the same just the detail is lost.
Oxymoron is one of my favorite words so pardon me for answering your question literally.
As we know, an oxymoron is a pairing of words together that are seemingly self contradictory. A lot of times the words form a new meaning that actually makes some sense. Like your example Jumbo shrimp.
I think your question is a close call since some could see them as contradictory, because typically multiple strikes are needed to produce a high relief coin. I am going to take the position that it is not an oxymoron, because I think UHR refers to the design elements and striking is the process of making the coin. So in summary I don't think "UHR" and poorly struck contradict each other.
I'm not convinced the first photo is less well-struck than the second. To me it looks like the lighting is not ideal to pick up detail like the second photo. Look at the tail feathers, they also appear to lack detail although they are of lower relief.
I vote poor choice of lighting.
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I was just going to say that too.
Lighting is very different between the two photo techniques. I bet in-hand, they'd be more similar than different.
I thought to add......
A well-struck coin can be photographed in ways to show off the detail or make the detail appear soft. A soft strike can't be hidden in a photo, usually.
I would say it is not an oxymoron.
An UHR has certain die characteristics, and those dies can in theory strike a range of qualities.
UHR is not a condition or die state (such as FSB or FS).
So, a poorly struck UHR or an UHR struck from worn dies is still an UHR.
I keep thinking about the 21 Peace Dollar as I look at this thread.
Different photography lighting types and techniques used can make a huge impact on how sharp details are in a photo compared to in hand.
It was actually easier to buy from scans then now with all the post photo tweaking software being used to Glamorize a potential Catfish.
Looks like a lighting effect.
The slab photo looks much sharper.
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