@thebigeng said:
Those are nice high end coins and with bring more money next time I suspect. Could be that the lack of coin shows and personal viewing of coins could slow the market in some series for awhile? Perhaps some of the high end players have invested funds elsewhere for now and will back later..
This is my suspicion.
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@coinkat said:
And at the end of the day, does that not prove my point as to whether these auction prices prices are just not sustainable?
It doesn’t prove your point to me. Sure, one less bidder can result in a much lower price. But just as easily, one more bidder can result in a much higher one. It can go either way, and often goes both ways (in the same sale and over time).
Sometimes all it takes to skew an auction result is the momentary inattention of one or more of the interested bidders (I've seen it happen).
That's happened to me when I slept through the end of auctions
The 1793 in this auction is the finest quality as it is the only example with any red on the coin
At the price realized it is a great coin for a collector or a punter.
Pogue paid $1,500,00 for the 1796 no pole when he bought it from Spectrum privately
Oliver Jung paid a very fair price for the same coin when he bought it for $780,000
And it brought the same price this week
The 1811 half cent in 66 r/b brought only $ 336,000 because this is true value.
Also there are two 1811 SP 64 half cents coming up in the Partrick sale in April
Mt. Eureka - that is the sexiest Barber half dollar I have ever seen !
Seems to me that trophy coins that reappear in the marketplace in under 10-20 year intervals do not seem to do well financially. It’s better for the seller to have a “once in a lifetime” chance tied to the sale.
Q: When does a collector become a numismatist?
A: The year they spend more on their library than their coin collection.
A numismatist is judged more on the content of their library than the content of their cabinet.
@tradedollarnut said:
One of three things is going to happen:
Due to the rising money supply we are going to have rampant inflation and the price of ‘things’ will go through the roof while the cost of holding actual dollars becomes inordinately high
Despite the feds best efforts deflationary pressures overcome the rising money supply and the cost of things falls through the floor while holding onto dollars becomes the right thing to do
Somewhere in between
I read the federal deficit in 2020 was in excess of $3Trillion (15% of GDP). I've never seen anything like this in my lifetime. Obviously, deficits of this proportion are simply not sustainable over the long-term. I am making no value judgement as to the wisdom of such inordinate spending. That is up to the professional economists to determine.
Money has become useless as a means of income (interest rates at zero). Perhaps this will have an effect on the upper end coin market. People have to put their money somewhere.
@thebigeng said:
Those are nice high end coins and with bring more money next time I suspect. Could be that the lack of coin shows and personal viewing of coins could slow the market in some series for awhile? Perhaps some of the high end players have invested funds elsewhere for now and will back later..
This is my suspicion.
Possibly, but I doubt it. Anyone in the market for these three coins likely has already seen them, or at least know of them, and l would think lot viewing would have a limited impact on the prices realized.
@Zoins said:
We know several major collectors have left the hobby recently and for prices to be sustained, they need to be replaced. Who are the new collectors of these?
Collecting something else thats a lot cheaper while they get their legs under them, professionally. @tradedollarnut didn't jump in and start buying big $ coins right off the bat, he worked his way up. I'd expect the whales of the next decade are just now beginning to look at the higher ends of the market and pushing towards buying those mid 5 figure coins that really set the foundation for expanding into the six and seven figure range.
Though I will tell ya this, the way that sports cards and TCG markets are moving, that's where those guys are right now, probably. I sunk $8,000 into some Magic Cards 3 years ago and that is worth around $20,000 today. If I had bought first edition Pokemon instead? Probably $50k+.
The bulk of coin collectors were in their mid to late 40s when 1989 happened in coins. The guys collecting sports cards today are in their early 40's today. The guys in Magic are in their early to mid 30's, maybe early 40's for some of the older ones, and the guys in Pokemon are in their mid to late 20's.
The markets reach their peak when the individuals that constitute the market reach peak earnings potential. TCG collectors are just getting started.
Just for a taste of data, here's a chart of a Magic Card's price since 2014. $100 to $500 today. Check any MTG reserved list card that is playable in a deck, they're all rising as discretionary income of their owners rises.
I sold 5 sets of the power 9 back in the day for what now seems like a paltry sum (1995). I was advised to invest beanie babies, but thankfully I didn't do that lol. I don't even want to look at what they may be worth now.
Great pick up Andy! That is a dynamite coin. To the OP, I don't think market weakness was exposed. These coins have traded hands too many times in the last several years.
@Zoins said:
We know several major collectors have left the hobby recently and for prices to be sustained, they need to be replaced. Who are the new collectors of these?
Collecting something else thats a lot cheaper while they get their legs under them, professionally. @tradedollarnut didn't jump in and start buying big $ coins right off the bat, he worked his way up. I'd expect the whales of the next decade are just now beginning to look at the higher ends of the market and pushing towards buying those mid 5 figure coins that really set the foundation for expanding into the six and seven figure range.
Though I will tell ya this, the way that sports cards and TCG markets are moving, that's where those guys are right now, probably. I sunk $8,000 into some Magic Cards 3 years ago and that is worth around $20,000 today. If I had bought first edition Pokemon instead? Probably $50k+.
The bulk of coin collectors were in their mid to late 40s when 1989 happened in coins. The guys collecting sports cards today are in their early 40's today. The guys in Magic are in their early to mid 30's, maybe early 40's for some of the older ones, and the guys in Pokemon are in their mid to late 20's.
The markets reach their peak when the individuals that constitute the market reach peak earnings potential. TCG collectors are just getting started.
Just for a taste of data, here's a chart of a Magic Card's price since 2014. $100 to $500 today. Check any MTG reserved list card that is playable in a deck, they're all rising as discretionary income of their owners rises.
I sold 5 sets of the power 9 back in the day for what now seems like a paltry sum (1995). I was advised to invest beanie babies, but thankfully I didn't do that lol. I don't even want to look at what they may be worth now.
Depends on sets. But yeah, don't look, or you'll be shopping for 10ft of rope.
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@zas107 said:
I sold 5 sets of the power 9 back in the day for what now seems like a paltry sum (1995). I was advised to invest beanie babies, but thankfully I didn't do that lol. I don't even want to look at what they may be worth now.
@tradedollarnut said:
One of three things is going to happen:
Due to the rising money supply we are going to have rampant inflation and the price of ‘things’ will go through the roof while the cost of holding actual dollars becomes inordinately high
Despite the feds best efforts deflationary pressures overcome the rising money supply and the cost of things falls through the floor while holding onto dollars becomes the right thing to do
Somewhere in between
I read the federal deficit in 2020 was in excess of $3Trillion (15% of GDP). I've never seen anything like this in my lifetime. Obviously, deficits of this proportion are simply not sustainable over the long-term. I am making no value judgement as to the wisdom of such inordinate spending. That is up to the professional economists to determine.
Money has become useless as a means of income (interest rates at zero). Perhaps this will have an effect on the upper end coin market. People have to put their money somewhere.
There are many investment vehicles that comfortably pay an 8-10% dividend. Certainly they are not risk-free like a savings account or government bond, but "useless" is a gross overstatement.
@CoinRaritiesOnline said:
For many coins in this price range, the presence (or absence) of one single bidder can make a massive difference in price realized. It has always been so.
Agreed. I think I personally added $1-2M to the price realized on the 1804$10.
There was a bid of 4.25 Million hammer by the phone that was not Bruce, so Bruce was just a cut bid above and then there was another one below around 3.8 hammer that was a completely different third one. This is based on information from Joe oConnor and heritage. So the statement above is false.
It shouldn’t matter much, as there were other bidders sniffing around, but it was pretty much just you and me doing the actual bidding from about $2850k hammer onward. I think JA threw one bid in there about halfway through that range.
@CoinRaritiesOnline said:
For many coins in this price range, the presence (or absence) of one single bidder can make a massive difference in price realized. It has always been so.
Agreed. I think I personally added $1-2M to the price realized on the 1804$10.
There was a bid of 4.25 Million hammer by the phone that was not Bruce, so Bruce was just a cut bid above and then there was another one below around 3.8 hammer that was a completely different third one. This is based on information from Joe oConnor and heritage. So the statement above is false.
You’re right - it wasn’t me - it was Laura. ;-)
And JA was the bid online at $3750k
This is the sequence as I understand it: I had a long-standing bid of $4150k on the computer, you bid $4250k, Laura cut it to $4300k then you bid $4400k and won it. Could it have been someone other than you that advanced it from $3850k to $4150k? Yes.
There was one night about a week earlier where I bid $4.1M all in and you put in a half dozen bids to take the lead. The next day JA advanced it once but you immediately outbid him. A few days later I put my max computer bid of $4150k hammer in which lasted until the lot opened.
@CoinRaritiesOnline said:
For many coins in this price range, the presence (or absence) of one single bidder can make a massive difference in price realized. It has always been so.
Agreed. I think I personally added $1-2M to the price realized on the 1804$10.
There was a bid of 4.25 Million hammer by the phone that was not Bruce, so Bruce was just a cut bid above and then there was another one below around 3.8 hammer that was a completely different third one. This is based on information from Joe oConnor and heritage. So the statement above is false.
You’re right - it wasn’t me - it was Laura. ;-)
And JA was the bid online at $3750k
This is the sequence as I understand it: I had a long-standing bid of $4150k on the computer, you bid $4250k, Laura cut it to $4300k then you bid $4400k and won it. Could it have been someone other than you that advanced it from $3850k to $4150k? Yes.
There was one night about a week earlier where I bid $4.1M all in and you put in a half dozen bids to take the lead. The next day JA advanced it once but you immediately outbid him. A few days later I put my max computer bid of $4150k hammer in which lasted until the lot opened.
@CoinRaritiesOnline said:
For many coins in this price range, the presence (or absence) of one single bidder can make a massive difference in price realized. It has always been so.
Agreed. I think I personally added $1-2M to the price realized on the 1804$10.
There was a bid of 4.25 Million hammer by the phone that was not Bruce, so Bruce was just a cut bid above and then there was another one below around 3.8 hammer that was a completely different third one. This is based on information from Joe oConnor and heritage. So the statement above is false.
You’re right - it wasn’t me - it was Laura. ;-)
And JA was the bid online at $3750k
This is the sequence as I understand it: I had a long-standing bid of $4150k on the computer, you bid $4250k, Laura cut it to $4300k then you bid $4400k and won it. Could it have been someone other than you that advanced it from $3850k to $4150k? Yes.
There was one night about a week earlier where I bid $4.1M all in and you put in a half dozen bids to take the lead. The next day JA advanced it once but you immediately outbid him. A few days later I put my max computer bid of $4150k hammer in which lasted until the lot opened.
Great info
One thing about the changing times is I no longer have to wonder about what I'm missing out on by not bidding on the phone or in person.
I bid on the computer and so do the top collectors
FWIW. After buying the king of Siam set , I was in New York meeting with Larry stack in 1992 and we were looking at buying stacks. After a while , he pulled out this coin and said I should buy it . The whopping price was 450,000. And at that moment the same person owned both of the gem 1804 proof 10s.
The only thing possible to pair with this coin would be the Pogue-Childs 1804$ And reunite these wonder coins after 187 years.
Congrats
A few other examples of EAC market declines, Non-Pogue examples:
1793 Wreath, lettered Edge S11c PCGS AU53 CC#6 lot 2012 Heritage February 2008 (Husak sale): $63,250. Subsequently sold for $48,000 Heritage lot 3564 9/2020.
1796 1C Liberty Cap. VF35 PCGS. S-89 CC#6 Lot 2090 Heritage Feb. 2008 (Husak) sold for $11500. Subsequently sold for $4113 Goldberg June 2017.
1804 1C Draped Bust S-266b (middle die state) lot 2270 2/08 Husak, sold for $9775. Subsequently sold for $6463 Goldbergs 6/17.
@rays said:
A few other examples of EAC market declines, Non-Pogue examples:
1793 Wreath, lettered Edge S11c PCGS AU53 CC#6 lot 2012 Heritage February 2008 (Husak sale): $63,250. Subsequently sold for $48,000 Heritage lot 3564 9/2020.
1796 1C Liberty Cap. VF35 PCGS. S-89 CC#6 Lot 2090 Heritage Feb. 2008 (Husak) sold for $11500. Subsequently sold for $4113 Goldberg June 2017.
1804 1C Draped Bust S-266b (middle die state) lot 2270 2/08 Husak, sold for $9775. Subsequently sold for $6463 Goldbergs 6/17.
Thanks for trying to get your thread back on topic, rays....
@rays said:
A few other examples of EAC market declines, Non-Pogue examples:
1793 Wreath, lettered Edge S11c PCGS AU53 CC#6 lot 2012 Heritage February 2008 (Husak sale): $63,250. Subsequently sold for $48,000 Heritage lot 3564 9/2020.
1796 1C Liberty Cap. VF35 PCGS. S-89 CC#6 Lot 2090 Heritage Feb. 2008 (Husak) sold for $11500. Subsequently sold for $4113 Goldberg June 2017.
1804 1C Draped Bust S-266b (middle die state) lot 2270 2/08 Husak, sold for $9775. Subsequently sold for $6463 Goldbergs 6/17.
Overall this is is a great thread. Thanks for the pricing info please keep us posted.
@jmlanzaf said:
Well, this has turned in to a useless rich guy peeing contest...
Regardless of how sincere that comment is, it's not very nice or funny.
I'm not sure either nice or funny was the goal. The thread was about EAC and migrated into a discussion about whether one rich guy or two pushed up the price by a couple million. IDK. If nothing else it seems like TMI.
If money were no object , and someone wanted the 10 sexiest , coolest, best in class coins to own, the finest 1804 10 proof and the 1794 specimen dollar would both make the cut.
Trying to distill down to the best single coin or top three becomes too subjective. But for a multi billionaire saying here’s 100,000,000, I want the cream of the cream , those both make the list as does the finest Brasher, the finest 1913 nickel , Judd 1776, and five more ....which five are they?
@Dwight_M said:
If money were no object , and someone wanted the 10 sexiest , coolest, best in class coins to own, the finest 1804 10 proof and the 1794 specimen dollar would both make the cut.
Trying to distill down to the best single coin or top three becomes too subjective. But for a multi billionaire saying here’s 100,000,000, I want the cream of the cream , those both make the list as does the finest Brasher, the finest 1913 nickel , Judd 1776, and five more ....which five are they?
Has to be child’s 1804 for the nuts. Pogue 54-s 5. 94-s dime not really top 10 money no object to me anymore. Perhaps the gem birch cent ? The finest 1885 trade dollar ? 1822 5$?
@Dwight_M said:
If money were no object , and someone wanted the 10 sexiest , coolest, best in class coins to own, the finest 1804 10 proof and the 1794 specimen dollar would both make the cut.
Trying to distill down to the best single coin or top three becomes too subjective. But for a multi billionaire saying here’s 100,000,000, I want the cream of the cream , those both make the list as does the finest Brasher, the finest 1913 nickel , Judd 1776, and five more ....which five are they?
@Dwight_M said:
If money were no object , and someone wanted the 10 sexiest , coolest, best in class coins to own, the finest 1804 10 proof and the 1794 specimen dollar would both make the cut.
Trying to distill down to the best single coin or top three becomes too subjective. But for a multi billionaire saying here’s 100,000,000, I want the cream of the cream , those both make the list as does the finest Brasher, the finest 1913 nickel , Judd 1776, and five more ....which five are they?
@Dwight_M said:
If money were no object , and someone wanted the 10 sexiest , coolest, best in class coins to own, the finest 1804 10 proof and the 1794 specimen dollar would both make the cut.
Trying to distill down to the best single coin or top three becomes too subjective. But for a multi billionaire saying here’s 100,000,000, I want the cream of the cream , those both make the list as does the finest Brasher, the finest 1913 nickel , Judd 1776, and five more ....which five are they?
I saw an 1822 $5 at Long beach about 10 years ago. It wasn't for sale, a dealer just showed it to me for fun. I didn't realize at the time there are only a couple known.
@Dwight_M said:
If money were no object , and someone wanted the 10 sexiest , coolest, best in class coins to own, the finest 1804 10 proof and the 1794 specimen dollar would both make the cut.
Trying to distill down to the best single coin or top three becomes too subjective. But for a multi billionaire saying here’s 100,000,000, I want the cream of the cream , those both make the list as does the finest Brasher, the finest 1913 nickel , Judd 1776, and five more ....which five are they?
I saw an 1822 $5 at Long beach about 10 years ago. It wasn't for sale, a dealer just showed it to me for fun. I didn't realize at the time there are only a couple known.
There are three known with two in the Smithsonian Institute and only one in private hands.
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It would be pretty amazing if a collector started collecting all the 1804 Class 1 dollars, 1885 trade dollars, or 1913 Barber nickels, or at least 2 or more at the same time.
@Dwight_M said:
If money were no object , and someone wanted the 10 sexiest , coolest, best in class coins to own, the finest 1804 10 proof and the 1794 specimen dollar would both make the cut.
Trying to distill down to the best single coin or top three becomes too subjective. But for a multi billionaire saying here’s 100,000,000, I want the cream of the cream , those both make the list as does the finest Brasher, the finest 1913 nickel , Judd 1776, and five more ....which five are they?
To bring this back to the OP's thread topic, would any of the top 10 be early half cents?
@Dwight_M said:
If money were no object , and someone wanted the 10 sexiest , coolest, best in class coins to own, the finest 1804 10 proof and the 1794 specimen dollar would both make the cut.
Trying to distill down to the best single coin or top three becomes too subjective. But for a multi billionaire saying here’s 100,000,000, I want the cream of the cream , those both make the list as does the finest Brasher, the finest 1913 nickel , Judd 1776, and five more ....which five are they?
To bring this back to the OP's thread topic, would any of the top 10 be early half cents?
Based on the replies in this thread and a few seconds of thought, no and not even close.
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It would be pretty amazing if a collector started collecting all the 1804 Class 1 dollars, 1885 trade dollars, or 1913 Barber nickels, or at least 2 or more at the same time.
Any pursuit of such issues would (edited) ensure lack of completion and/or being held hostage, price-wise.
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This is my suspicion.
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Or win if people are paying double market value
The 1793 in this auction is the finest quality as it is the only example with any red on the coin
At the price realized it is a great coin for a collector or a punter.
Pogue paid $1,500,00 for the 1796 no pole when he bought it from Spectrum privately
Oliver Jung paid a very fair price for the same coin when he bought it for $780,000
And it brought the same price this week
The 1811 half cent in 66 r/b brought only $ 336,000 because this is true value.
Also there are two 1811 SP 64 half cents coming up in the Partrick sale in April
Seems to me that trophy coins that reappear in the marketplace in under 10-20 year intervals do not seem to do well financially. It’s better for the seller to have a “once in a lifetime” chance tied to the sale.
A: The year they spend more on their library than their coin collection.
A numismatist is judged more on the content of their library than the content of their cabinet.
Pfffft. Charts don’t take into account grade inflation
I read the federal deficit in 2020 was in excess of $3Trillion (15% of GDP). I've never seen anything like this in my lifetime. Obviously, deficits of this proportion are simply not sustainable over the long-term. I am making no value judgement as to the wisdom of such inordinate spending. That is up to the professional economists to determine.
Money has become useless as a means of income (interest rates at zero). Perhaps this will have an effect on the upper end coin market. People have to put their money somewhere.
Andy, I love that 1894-O half! Congrats on acquiring it!
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Possibly, but I doubt it. Anyone in the market for these three coins likely has already seen them, or at least know of them, and l would think lot viewing would have a limited impact on the prices realized.
I sold 5 sets of the power 9 back in the day for what now seems like a paltry sum (1995). I was advised to invest beanie babies, but thankfully I didn't do that lol. I don't even want to look at what they may be worth now.
Great pick up Andy! That is a dynamite coin. To the OP, I don't think market weakness was exposed. These coins have traded hands too many times in the last several years.
MMT principle says central banks can print all the money they want as long as there is capacity in the economy.
So far that is playing out, as the US has plenty of asset value to support money supply.
Depends on sets. But yeah, don't look, or you'll be shopping for 10ft of rope.
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Someone say Beanie Babies?
This is currently available.
There are many investment vehicles that comfortably pay an 8-10% dividend. Certainly they are not risk-free like a savings account or government bond, but "useless" is a gross overstatement.
There was a bid of 4.25 Million hammer by the phone that was not Bruce, so Bruce was just a cut bid above and then there was another one below around 3.8 hammer that was a completely different third one. This is based on information from Joe oConnor and heritage. So the statement above is false.
I wonder if the other underbidder of the Sultan of Muscat 1804 Eagle will become known at some point.
I wouldn't be surprised if his initials are DLH.
Heh heh heh. There’s different ways to bid, you know...
It shouldn’t matter much, as there were other bidders sniffing around, but it was pretty much just you and me doing the actual bidding from about $2850k hammer onward. I think JA threw one bid in there about halfway through that range.
You’re right - it wasn’t me - it was Laura. ;-)
And JA was the bid online at $3750k
This is the sequence as I understand it: I had a long-standing bid of $4150k on the computer, you bid $4250k, Laura cut it to $4300k then you bid $4400k and won it. Could it have been someone other than you that advanced it from $3850k to $4150k? Yes.
There was one night about a week earlier where I bid $4.1M all in and you put in a half dozen bids to take the lead. The next day JA advanced it once but you immediately outbid him. A few days later I put my max computer bid of $4150k hammer in which lasted until the lot opened.
we made history !
Great info
One thing about the changing times is I no longer have to wonder about what I'm missing out on by not bidding on the phone or in person.
I bid on the computer and so do the top collectors
Well, this has turned in to a not so useful rich guy peeing contest...
FWIW. After buying the king of Siam set , I was in New York meeting with Larry stack in 1992 and we were looking at buying stacks. After a while , he pulled out this coin and said I should buy it . The whopping price was 450,000. And at that moment the same person owned both of the gem 1804 proof 10s.
The only thing possible to pair with this coin would be the Pogue-Childs 1804$ And reunite these wonder coins after 187 years.
Congrats
Not at all. Oliver wants and deserves to know the bidding sequence so he can feel comfortable in the value of his coin
A few other examples of EAC market declines, Non-Pogue examples:
That's understandable to me and I feel that the comment was unwarranted.
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Not all rich guys are useless.
Thanks for trying to get your thread back on topic, rays....
No surprise market is very weak. See PCGS 3000.
Basically USA market hasn’t done anything since 1990. IMO 95 pct collectors Lose money.
One needs churn investment stay in game.
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I would offer to introduce you to my ex (she's done pretty well for herself), but you seem to be much too nice to do that to
Regardless of how sincere that comment is, it's not very nice or funny.
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Overall this is is a great thread. Thanks for the pricing info please keep us posted.
I'm not sure either nice or funny was the goal. The thread was about EAC and migrated into a discussion about whether one rich guy or two pushed up the price by a couple million. IDK. If nothing else it seems like TMI.
If money were no object , and someone wanted the 10 sexiest , coolest, best in class coins to own, the finest 1804 10 proof and the 1794 specimen dollar would both make the cut.
Trying to distill down to the best single coin or top three becomes too subjective. But for a multi billionaire saying here’s 100,000,000, I want the cream of the cream , those both make the list as does the finest Brasher, the finest 1913 nickel , Judd 1776, and five more ....which five are they?
The coin market had a very nice run during W's presidency, aided by a monster move in the price of gold among other factors.
1804$1, UHR $20, 1854-S $5, 1894-s dime, 1838-O half
Has to be child’s 1804 for the nuts. Pogue 54-s 5. 94-s dime not really top 10 money no object to me anymore. Perhaps the gem birch cent ? The finest 1885 trade dollar ? 1822 5$?
18> @tradedollarnut said:
What about the 1822 $5?
Agree. Thought about it...and the 1933 $20 as well
I saw an 1822 $5 at Long beach about 10 years ago. It wasn't for sale, a dealer just showed it to me for fun. I didn't realize at the time there are only a couple known.
Even though this is rarified air for me, I still want to know this info. Thanks. Peace Roy
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Really neat thread. Lot’s of interesting insight into how things work, and how competitive the top end is.
There are three known with two in the Smithsonian Institute and only one in private hands.
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See @tradedollarnut's post above.
The Virgil Brand approach could be:
It would be pretty amazing if a collector started collecting all the 1804 Class 1 dollars, 1885 trade dollars, or 1913 Barber nickels, or at least 2 or more at the same time.
To bring this back to the OP's thread topic, would any of the top 10 be early half cents?
Based on the replies in this thread and a few seconds of thought, no and not even close.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Any pursuit of such issues would (edited) ensure lack of completion and/or being held hostage, price-wise.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.