Pic i got from seller

thomasc1978 · June 25, 2020 12:41PM

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LarkinCollector · June 25, 2020 1:23PM

First serial # higher that verifies is 50066924, lower 50066915. I would follow the instructions:

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Cert #s can be deactivated due to suspected fraud on the submission or PSA insurance payouts if something was lost/stolen during return shipment. There could be other reasons, but those are the two that I'd be most concerned with.

Nothing looks off about the flip or holder, and it's $8-9k minimum, likely a good bit higher with the recent run up of Jordan prices if everything checks out after contacting PSA: https://www.psacard.com/auctionprices/basketball-cards/1997-ultra-stars/michael-jordan/values/441723

erikthredd · June 25, 2020 1:56PM

@thomasc1978 That card was reported stolen by a BO member and there's a thread in the basketball section there detailing the theft. It's the ALERT: Stolen High Value MJ - PLEASE READ thread. You may want to contact him and help him try to get his cards back.

PaulMaul · June 25, 2020 2:02PM

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1385762

PaulMaul · June 25, 2020 2:11PM

I don’t understand why none of the surrounding certs numbers exist. I know that in the old days different groups of cert numbers were used for different purposes. Is there some reason this card would be the only one graded in that range?

LarkinCollector · June 25, 2020 2:15PM

Before I knew of the BO thread, I just assumed there was a group in that range in the same package/sub.

Paulb2680 · June 25, 2020 2:35PM

Hello, this card was reported as lost/stolen and I’m the owner. There's an active investigation underway for it. UPS and PSA are involved as well. I’ve posted on Instagram and several other forums. Contact PSA to arrange the return as they are trying to get in contact with you.

Paul

blurryface · June 25, 2020 3:37PM

so where did op get a pic from?

Jer1976 · June 25, 2020 3:57PM

It came from him or someone he knows who has the card. This could be part of a larger USPS scam. The police have already been notified. Glad it showed up. Now give it back to the rightful owner. You've been caught nowhere to hide now. Spill it.

LarkinCollector · June 25, 2020 4:05PM

Assuming that the OP is in possession of it or involved in it's theft is a stretch without more info. Perhaps they saw it on LetItGo, Craigslist, or any other local selling forum and knew enough to check the cert verify db. Welcome and goodbye to many of the BO first time posters making unfounded (at this point) accusations.

ETA: And I'm someone who's also had cards stolen in transit back from grading that has never had their items recovered, so I know what a gut punch it is.

Paulb2680 · June 25, 2020 4:09PM

PSA has contacted him and they know his name and address. I have sent him a message: if he or someone he knows has card, send it back to PSA or contact me to arrange shipment anonymously. We just want the card back. Thanks

blurryface · June 25, 2020 4:13PM

This crime syndicate cant be too intellectually advanced either way. Still holdered. Dont think the gold are serialed are they?

Jer1976 · June 25, 2020 4:14PM

@LarkinCollector said:
Assuming that the OP is in possession of it or involved in it's theft is a stretch without more info. ** Perhaps they saw it on LetItGo, Craigslist, or any other local selling forum and knew enough to check the cert verify db.** Welcome and goodbye to many of the BO first time posters making unfounded (at this point) accusations.

ETA: And I'm someone who's also had cards stolen in transit back from grading that has never had their items recovered, so I know what a gut punch it is.

Well, then he should have some good info for the rightful owner looking for it right?. Like i said time for him to spill it. Either way i'm sure the police will be in contact with. Also you sound a little bitter about BO were you banned?

Paulb2680 · June 25, 2020 4:17PM

If he’s not involved, I’m sure he would be more than happy to clear his name, point us in the right direction, tell us where exactly he saw the listing and help us solve this. Wouldn't you?

blurryface · June 25, 2020 4:17PM

@LarkinCollector said:
Assuming that the OP is in possession of it or involved in it's theft is a stretch without more info. Perhaps they saw it on LetItGo, Craigslist, or any other local selling forum and knew enough to check the cert verify db. Welcome and goodbye to many of the BO first time posters making unfounded (at this point) accusations.

ETA: And I'm someone who's also had cards stolen in transit back from grading that has never had their items recovered, so I know what a gut punch it is.

Agreed about jumping to conclusions. IP check couldnt hurt though. 😉

Jer1976 · June 25, 2020 4:24PM

The odds of him randomly seeing a picture of that card on the internet and then taking the time to sign up on this website and ask about it seem pretty far fetched to me. Considering we know it's a stolen card and it just happens to pop up here. To me it sounds like he either has it or knows who has it. At the very least he knows where it was posted and can further the investigation. But like i said it sounds pretty fishy to me he would go to these lengths just randomly.

LarkinCollector · June 25, 2020 4:28PM

@Jer1976 said:

@LarkinCollector said:
Assuming that the OP is in possession of it or involved in it's theft is a stretch without more info. ** Perhaps they saw it on LetItGo, Craigslist, or any other local selling forum and knew enough to check the cert verify db.** Welcome and goodbye to many of the BO first time posters making unfounded (at this point) accusations.

ETA: And I'm someone who's also had cards stolen in transit back from grading that has never had their items recovered, so I know what a gut punch it is.

Well, then he should have some good info for the rightful owner looking for it right?. Like i said time for him to spill it. Either way i'm sure the police will be in contact with. Also you sound a little bitter about BO were you banned?

Ah, but good info is very different from blanket accusations like ...

@Jer1976 said:
It came from him or someone he knows who has the card.

And no, I've done a bit of lurking on BO, never had a desire to interact or request an account after seeing what goes on there so haven't been banned.

Jer1976 · June 25, 2020 4:31PM

@LarkinCollector said:

@Jer1976 said:

@LarkinCollector said:
Assuming that the OP is in possession of it or involved in it's theft is a stretch without more info. ** Perhaps they saw it on LetItGo, Craigslist, or any other local selling forum and knew enough to check the cert verify db.** Welcome and goodbye to many of the BO first time posters making unfounded (at this point) accusations.

ETA: And I'm someone who's also had cards stolen in transit back from grading that has never had their items recovered, so I know what a gut punch it is.

Well, then he should have some good info for the rightful owner looking for it right?. Like i said time for him to spill it. Either way i'm sure the police will be in contact with. Also you sound a little bitter about BO were you banned?

Ah, but good info is very different from blanket accusations like ...

@Jer1976 said:
It came from him or someone he knows who has the card.

And no, I've done a bit of lurking on BO, never had a desire to interact or request an account after seeing what goes on there so haven't been banned.

You don't read very well because you took that statement out of context. I was replying to the post above me "so where did op get a pic from?" The pic, not the card itself.

blurryface · June 25, 2020 4:35PM

Jer, are you chief detective of Noda?

LarkinCollector · June 25, 2020 4:37PM

@Jer1976 said:

@LarkinCollector said:

@Jer1976 said:

@LarkinCollector said:
Assuming that the OP is in possession of it or involved in it's theft is a stretch without more info. ** Perhaps they saw it on LetItGo, Craigslist, or any other local selling forum and knew enough to check the cert verify db.** Welcome and goodbye to many of the BO first time posters making unfounded (at this point) accusations.

ETA: And I'm someone who's also had cards stolen in transit back from grading that has never had their items recovered, so I know what a gut punch it is.

Well, then he should have some good info for the rightful owner looking for it right?. Like i said time for him to spill it. Either way i'm sure the police will be in contact with. Also you sound a little bitter about BO were you banned?

Ah, but good info is very different from blanket accusations like ...

@Jer1976 said:
It came from him or someone he knows who has the card.

And no, I've done a bit of lurking on BO, never had a desire to interact or request an account after seeing what goes on there so haven't been banned.

You don't read very well because you took that statement out of context. I was replying to the post above me "so where did op get a pic from?" The pic, not the card itself.

Thank you for demonstrating exactly why I'm not on BO

Jer1976 · June 25, 2020 4:45PM

Glad i could be of service to the BO community.

hyperchipper09 · June 25, 2020 4:46PM

Welcome to the boards! Sorry, always wanted to type that in a thread.

blurryface · June 26, 2020 3:09AM

@thomasc1978 said:

Mr. Thomas Caselenuovo, isnt this you?

And didnt the card get stolen while in ups’ possession in PA?

And dont you live in PA?

Still dont want to make any accusations but things are stacking up pretty heavily on one side here.

If you do have it, id say your goose is officially cooked. please dont toss it in haste, trash it or destroy the evidence. Send it back anonymously to the owner or PSA even. Never too late to do the right thing.

LGC · June 26, 2020 3:24AM

We should let PSA and authorities do their jobs here. This can get out of hand and posters may regret later what they believe are well intentioned.

blurryface · June 26, 2020 3:34AM

I agree. But no regrets what so ever with what I posted.

Paulb2680 · June 26, 2020 7:02AM

OP is claiming he saw the card online. Maybe he can help us find out where he saw this card?

Paulb2680 · June 26, 2020 7:05AM

PSA has all his information. I would help us track it down at this point or have the person in possession send it back anonymously. If you saw it posted elsewhere, please help us find it

perkdog · June 26, 2020 9:04AM

Popcorn anyone? 🍿

erikthredd · June 26, 2020 9:18AM

Someone's trying to cover their tracks today.

Here's the card in question...

Jer1976 · June 26, 2020 9:54AM

It looks like Tommy boy has been back to read these posts and is now trying to cover his tracks. He could have just replied to the questions but instead he decided to delete his posts. Strange behavior and not something an innocent person would typically do. The case of this stolen card started on BO with mail fraud. And OP has a picture of a UPS truck in the background of his own picture. Hmmm.... interesting

Paulb2680 · June 26, 2020 9:58AM

Let’s get this guy. The walls are closing in. Thanks everyone

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Jer1976 · June 26, 2020 10:23AM

So where on Craigslist did you see it? Could you provide a link please? The person it belongs to would really like that information.

ArtVandelay · June 26, 2020 10:30AM

Tommy is going to jail!

ArtVandelay · June 26, 2020 11:47AM

Since Thomas responded to my comment directly I thought I would respond here.

Since you mentioned you have not done anything wrong and just posted a picture of the card and were researching its authenticity...

Why not provide all the information you have such as links to the Craigslist posting and the email chain from the seller which you no doubt have been in contact with given your "said" interest in the card. If you have not done anything wrong you should have nothing to fear. If anything, the person who had this card stolen from them would be grateful and you would come out of this looking like a good guy. You have the opportunity to do the right thing. But, trying to erase your digital paper trail makes you look something different. It makes you look like you have had a part in the theft of this very valuable card.

There is nothing wrong with doing due diligence and trying to find out the authenticity. Given the state of the hobby and with all the criminal activity such as grand theft in the case of this Jordan card or the card trimming racket people have to make special efforts to verify that what they are about to spend money on is legit. That is understandable. But, on the other end of that, if you come into contact with stolen merchandise you really need to disclose the information so that law enforcement can catch the perpetrator and the owner of the card can get it back.

brad31 · June 26, 2020 1:58PM

Looks like the OP gave himself a Scarlet Letter with the thread title. Hope he gives any and all information to help the perpetrator of a crime get caught.

rcmb3220 · June 26, 2020 2:09PM

So what was in the OP?

Jer1976 · June 26, 2020 2:14PM

Latest news is that It's been confirmed OP works for UPS at the same location where the card went missing.

Jer1976 · June 26, 2020 2:19PM

@rcmb3220 said:
So what was in the OP?

https://archive.is/LS9uu

perkdog · June 26, 2020 2:35PM

@Jer1976 said:
Latest news is that It's been confirmed OP works for UPS at the same location where the card went missing.

This story has legs

Horse · June 26, 2020 2:43PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oci1CuCht7E

perkdog · June 26, 2020 2:59PM

@Horse said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oci1CuCht7E

😂😂😂

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GreenSneakers · June 26, 2020 4:05PM

@thomasc1978 said:
I have just made a report with all information. I am very disappointed it wasnt a legally owned card for sale. I hope it can be found and returned to owner.

Doesn’t seem like you’re terribly forthcoming or credible.

rcmb3220 · June 26, 2020 4:25PM

So a card shipped via UPS that went missing in PA is found for sale online by a UPS employee in PA who just happens to be looking to buy at $30K card? What are the odds?

Paulb2680 · June 26, 2020 5:59PM

Man, thats the best story you can come up with after 24 hrs? Everyone is looking for the card, so time to give it up. You have been confirmed to work in the UPS location where card went missing and we have electronic evidence saying you own the card. At minimum you are done at UPS and theft is a serious crime in PA. Time to give up the card. Have a buddy send it to Jackie Curiel at PSA anonymously. All will be forgotten. The owners just want it back.

blurryface · June 27, 2020 3:52AM

I have faith Tom's gonna do the right thing, some how, some way.

Paulb2680 · June 27, 2020 8:15AM

He has to at this point. He will getting questions shortly, if not already. Investigations are under way. Better to end it now, man.

erikthredd · June 27, 2020 9:15AM

@Paulb2680 said:
Man, thats the best story you can come up with after 24 hrs? Everyone is looking for the card, so time to give it up. You have been confirmed to work in the UPS location where card went missing and we have electronic evidence saying you own the card. At minimum you are done at UPS and theft is a serious crime in PA. Time to give up the card. Have a buddy send it to Jackie Curiel at PSA anonymously. All will be forgotten. The owners just want it back.

This is actually the smartest thing that this guy can do right now. If and when this goes to court and the card hasn't been returned then the judge will likely make him pay restitution. For someone that recently filed for bankruptcy having to pay restitution on a 20-30k card will only make living day to day that much harder. Send it overnight to PSA and that act alone may be the difference between serving jail time or just probation.

Pic i got from seller

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