1890 Morgan GTG------ Preservation pending....
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I acquired this coin in ICG plastic and I thought it was undergraded in it. Surprise I know. Sent it in for preservation to PCGS. Wanted to get peoples thoughts on the grade as is, before i post the trueview/PCGS grade when available (which may be today!) Also, I am unsure if preservation will get everything off.
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Hope it doesn't come back AU58. If what appears to be a thin scratch from the lip to the hairline isn't really there I'd venture a guess at MS63 (after conservation) and that's only due to a slight weakness of strike. Otherwise MS64.
I think the strike and mark across the cheek will prevent a gem grade. I would also guess 64.
63 - 64. Hope for the latter.
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There are just too many moving parts to handicap this one. Good luck with the submission.
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63-ish if it doesn't come back details. Congrats!
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I hesitated to say anything at first but... I think it looks cleaned to me. Just doesn’t feel right for a Morgan. But if that’s just the pictures then my guess was 63 because the luster isn’t very strong and the strike is a bit weak.
I like it at 64.
That mark across the face is much more superficial than the picture makes it look. I can see the coin getting MS 65 with a good bath.
AU details, cleaned. Although I’m hoping I’m wrong as I’ve got a box of debatable AU/MS coins in.
I'd say it'll eventually be a 64 after conservation. IMO the weakness around the ear and hair is a weak strike rather than WEAR. This coin currently looks like a great example of when dipping goes bad. I hope not too much of the luster has been stripped.
This I got to see. If that coin was not in a details slab... The images make the coin look washed out and over dipped but there is a nice cartwheel in one image so the coin is possibly uncirculated. If it was straight graded, that's a good reason to stick with PCGS and NGC slabs.
PS If PCGS can fix that coin without leaving any trace of black it will be worth the fee!
I guess I'm confused. Are you asking for the grade before, or after conservation? If it's as dull as it looks, I'd say maybe it was in an MS63 holder. If that's even close, I can't see how it would be worth the fees to try to improve it. As has been said, it's pretty hard to interpret the luster from these photos.
I imagine the haze/yellow stuff will come off pretty nicely, but I'm less convinced about the black gunk.
This coin was in an ICG 64+ slab. it is being imaged by pcgs currently (for the last few days). I was looking for pre-preservation GTG. I will post the preservation photos once available. It looked to me to have luster underneath. As an optimist and terrible coin grader, I am hoping for 64
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Let us know how you make out. I hope you get a 64 again.
I do not like this coin and I think you will be disappointed in the grade. It would take a 65 for this to be worth it?
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Well its market grading so all bets are off, but imo there is no way that coins should ever be in a 65 or better holder due to the long scratch on the cheek and weak strike. If you get back a 64 you'll have an ok 64 that you'll be buried in, 63 sounds more reasonable from the photos.
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Any update on this Morgan dollar??
To-day I got an appreciative email from a happy customer on this better date Morgan dollar I hadn't been able to image well during the covid crisis:
How would you grade it:
"This coin is amazing , are you sure it's the same coin, not complaining is way way nicer in person lol, mega toning on the reverse didn't see that in your pictures, more than happy, thank you"
The coin was evaluated for preservation and on the form I wrote ANY grade. The coin has a DNC grade and the image is still unavailable. I called them to discuss what Did not cross mean on a raw coin accepting any grade. They said that it generally means it would have been a details coin. I asked them to contact me about why this was a details coin. I think they said it was code 85.
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Code 85 means did not cross per customer service post in this thread:
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/844630/anybody-know-what-pcgs-code-quot-85-quot-means
It's stained and the luster is very muted suggesting it was possibly cleaned. Even if it were to ever straight grade, I could never see it in a gem holder with muted luster like that.
They said because I wrote any, that is defined as any grade between 1 and 70 not details. But then it begs the question on a raw submission why not call it details. Also, I wish when you submit a coin you had the option to only do true views for grades 1 to 70 and they ask you regarding details coins
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If it is still in an ICG holder as it looks like they may have passed on trying to conserve it, you could ask ICG to evaluate it under their guarantee indicating the PCGS verdict.
I believe it is being photographed by trueview and will be placed in pcgs details slab
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The originally posted coin as imaged had little to recommend it; considering that if they take it from a numerically graded holder and put it in a problem holder they would be unlikely to do that.
https://www.pcgs.com/crossover
This says "any" means a numerical, not details grade.
I disagree, I expect it to be in a pcgs details slab.
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I have found PCGS to be objective when crossing coins from other companies. In this case, if it is a problem coin they would have assessed that while it was in the slab. Did you check cross at any grade or the details crossover option? ICG is good about coins in their holders with obvious problems usually. The solution on this was to make them responsible for it. Banned member "Insider" (Skip Fazzari) works there and has extensive conservation experience.
Any updates? Thanks.
Yes sir. I received the coin on Wednesday. It remained in ICG plastic. The presumption is it would have been a details grade if conserved so they did not touch it for preservation. I will see what ICG guarantee is but I do not see how they could do anything about this situation. I also spent probably 15 dollars more than this coin IN 64 plastic deserves let alone a details coin in ICG plastic
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I would definitely do the guarantee with ICG and maybe include any information you got from PCGS in the submission. No company likes to loose money on guarantees or returns, but in this case they probably owe it to you.