@logger7 said:
When I sent in some ICG and Anacs coins to PCGS on crossover, they crossed them all, some of the Anacs coins even upgraded. To me that shows objectivity and fair mindedness.
@logger7 said:
Good luck getting upgrades on crossovers. Did you submit those as cross at same grade? Grading company can scrutinize the coin for minor issues and how nice it is for the grade. If they were cac stickered they'd have a better chance. They have few incentives to cross them.
Which of these two statements would you like to go with? Both posted the same day but seem to suggest different positions.
One was on ICG and Anacs coins sent to PCGS for crossover, the other was on PCGS coins sent to NGC for upgrade or cross at grade.
What brought you to the conclusion that one TPG is objective and open minded and another TPG has no incentive to cross? Both firms want great coins in their brand of plastic so there is always an incentive to cross.
To repeat, one example I gave was of my submission of Anacs and Icg coins that PCGS crossed over; NGC will not cross any but PCGS coins, so if you submit non PCGS coins to NGC they demand they be cracked out first. I don't know why you were jumping all over me based on some common sense observations, namely my experience.
@logger7 said:
When I sent in some ICG and Anacs coins to PCGS on crossover, they crossed them all, some of the Anacs coins even upgraded. To me that shows objectivity and fair mindedness.
@logger7 said:
Good luck getting upgrades on crossovers. Did you submit those as cross at same grade? Grading company can scrutinize the coin for minor issues and how nice it is for the grade. If they were cac stickered they'd have a better chance. They have few incentives to cross them.
Which of these two statements would you like to go with? Both posted the same day but seem to suggest different positions.
One was on ICG and Anacs coins sent to PCGS for crossover, the other was on PCGS coins sent to NGC for upgrade or cross at grade.
What brought you to the conclusion that one TPG is objective and open minded and another TPG has no incentive to cross? Both firms want great coins in their brand of plastic so there is always an incentive to cross.
To repeat, one example I gave was of my submission of Anacs and Icg coins that PCGS crossed over; NGC will not cross any but PCGS coins, so if you submit non PCGS coins to NGC they demand they be cracked out first. I don't know why you were jumping all over me based on some common sense observations, namely my experience.
@logger7 said:
When I sent in some ICG and Anacs coins to PCGS on crossover, they crossed them all, some of the Anacs coins even upgraded. To me that shows objectivity and fair mindedness.
@logger7 said:
Good luck getting upgrades on crossovers. Did you submit those as cross at same grade? Grading company can scrutinize the coin for minor issues and how nice it is for the grade. If they were cac stickered they'd have a better chance. They have few incentives to cross them.
Which of these two statements would you like to go with? Both posted the same day but seem to suggest different positions.
One was on ICG and Anacs coins sent to PCGS for crossover, the other was on PCGS coins sent to NGC for upgrade or cross at grade.
What brought you to the conclusion that one TPG is objective and open minded and another TPG has no incentive to cross? Both firms want great coins in their brand of plastic so there is always an incentive to cross.
To repeat, one example I gave was of my submission of Anacs and Icg coins that PCGS crossed over; NGC will not cross any but PCGS coins, so if you submit non PCGS coins to NGC they demand they be cracked out first. I don't know why you were jumping all over me based on some common sense observations, namely my experience.
Not trying to jump all over you, sorry if you took it that way. Just didn't understand your thought process as to how you came up with your statements. My experience with crossovers is different than yours but I haven't attempted any in many years so maybe things have changed.
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To repeat, one example I gave was of my submission of Anacs and Icg coins that PCGS crossed over; NGC will not cross any but PCGS coins, so if you submit non PCGS coins to NGC they demand they be cracked out first. I don't know why you were jumping all over me based on some common sense observations, namely my experience.
Taking the ANA grading class was fascinating.
We used NGC graded coins, while I was "trained" to PCGS standards.
Bill Fivaz was the final determination.
So did we grade to our eye?
To win the table competition we thru out anything we learned or knowledge we brought to the table and graded to Bill's standards.
Somewhere in this post is a valuable lesson on grade bias
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Not trying to jump all over you, sorry if you took it that way. Just didn't understand your thought process as to how you came up with your statements. My experience with crossovers is different than yours but I haven't attempted any in many years so maybe things have changed.
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