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My newp and the only known counterstamped

RealoneRealone Posts: 18,519 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited March 6, 2020 6:05PM in U.S. Coin Forum

pattern coin that I have ever seen:

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,791 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Kewl!

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  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That’s pretty cool

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  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,516 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like it.

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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,308 ✭✭✭✭✭

    neat coin, I like

  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I love them all.

    Nice stuff

    Frank

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 7, 2020 10:34AM

    @Realone said:
    Thanks Zoins for showing his collection.

    Great photo!

    I was really curious to find out more about Kingman after the speculation that the 1855 may be the only merchant counterstamp on a pattern. Looks like a lot of thought has been put into this and I’m glad he has been identified. It would be great to see the same counterstamp on a bullet casing.

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  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's nice!

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  • tokenprotokenpro Posts: 898 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The theory that Kingman may have been an early collector counterstamping his own collection did not come from Russ Rulau but from collector Arvid Johnson who owned the Pine Tree shilling at one time. The use of the the S.C. Kingman c/s on a dateless early large cent and a Hard Times token (and the non-numismatic use of the stamp) would also tend to show that the c/s had a broader usage than just on better type set coins.

  • jayPemjayPem Posts: 4,082 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What an idea.. counterstamping your own coin collection 🤪
    I just might start doing that myself. Makes it easy for future provenance identification..
    BTW, Realone is now officially my favorite forum poster.
    Not only is he a classic throwback member, but his present area of collecting is extremely fascinating and thrilling to follow!

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 7, 2020 3:58PM

    @jayPem said:
    What an idea.. counterstamping your own coin collection 🤪
    I just might start doing that myself. Makes it easy for future provenance identification..

    Worked great for identifying the 1804 Dexter Dollar!

    There are modern dealers that do this with large cents and So-Called Dollars.

    BTW, Realone is now officially my favorite forum poster.
    Not only is he a classic throwback member, but his present area of collecting is extremely fascinating and thrilling to follow!

    His collection is great, everything from seated errors to engraved coins and now counterstamps!

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  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,761 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    Kewl!

    Indeed.

    Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍

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  • SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,066 ✭✭✭✭✭

    neat newp ⭐️

  • TradesWithChopsTradesWithChops Posts: 640 ✭✭✭✭

    very cool!

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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Those are all neat. They all should be together in one big collection.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,791 ✭✭✭✭✭

    And I felt guilty writing my name in my numismatic library books as I got them!

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 7, 2020 9:34PM

    @CaptHenway said:
    And I felt guilty writing my name in my numismatic library books as I got them!

    I wonder how many coin collectors did this over the years. I'm only aware of Samuel Clayton Kingman and James Dexter.

    There's a recent coin dealer that counterstamps low condition large cents but I can't recall his name now.

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  • OldIndianNutKaseOldIndianNutKase Posts: 2,717 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I find a "Kingman" counter stamp on a coin to be offensive. Even more offensive than a hole in a coin. The coin should not have even received a details grade.

    Only an ass**le would counter stamp a coin with his own identification, And coins with the Kingman counter stamp should be surrendered to the ANA for appropriate destruction.

    OINK

  • StrikeOutXXXStrikeOutXXX Posts: 3,352 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice - here it is back in Dec 2015 - Houston Money Show. The write-up is about the same as the others posted from some of his other counterstamped coins.

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tokenpro said:
    The theory that Kingman may have been an early collector counterstamping his own collection did not come from Russ Rulau but from collector Arvid Johnson who owned the Pine Tree shilling at one time. The use of the the S.C. Kingman c/s on a dateless early large cent and a Hard Times token (and the non-numismatic use of the stamp) would also tend to show that the c/s had a broader usage than just on better type set coins.

    I wonder if the dateless early large cent and HT token were test strikes? Are there a lot of these? If it's just a few, the test strike theory may have more legs. If it's a lot, then it may be a more standard merchant counterstamp.

    Since the stamp was on a bullet mold, I'm guessing that the stamp was originally used to put his name on his bullet casings, and only later did he think about using it on his coins.

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 8, 2020 9:48AM

    @Realone said:

    @Zoins said:

    @tokenpro said:
    The theory that Kingman may have been an early collector counterstamping his own collection did not come from Russ Rulau but from collector Arvid Johnson who owned the Pine Tree shilling at one time. The use of the the S.C. Kingman c/s on a dateless early large cent and a Hard Times token (and the non-numismatic use of the stamp) would also tend to show that the c/s had a broader usage than just on better type set coins.

    I wonder if the dateless early large cent and HT token were test strikes? Are there a lot of these? If it's just a few, the test strike theory may have more legs. If it's a lot, then it may be a more standard merchant counterstamp.

    Since the stamp was on a bullet mold, I'm guessing that the stamp was originally used to put his name on his bullet casings, and only later did he think about using it on his coins.

    Let me see if I understand, the dateless large cent was in bad shape, but was the Hard Times token also in bad shape too?

    I’m not sure. It would be nice to see photos. From @tokenpro’s post, it seems like there’s only one of each and condition wasn’t indicated for the hard times token.

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