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Is this 1844 dime a counterfeit?

davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,976 ✭✭✭✭✭
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I messaged a seller 'this coin is a counterfeit', their response is 'no it is not'. It came out of an old collection. What do you think?



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    OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Why would anyone choose a key date and make such a crappy copy?

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    Bigbuck1975Bigbuck1975 Posts: 1,278 ✭✭✭✭✭

    An old counterfeit collection?

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    SaorAlbaSaorAlba Posts: 7,593 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The numerals look very similar to the punches they use on Chinese counterfeits for other coins.

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,137 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Somebody please post a picture of a real one to compare the date digits to.

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    NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 11,047 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks bad to me. The gap between 1 and 8 looks too wide. The inner loops of the 8 also too big.

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    NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 11,047 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hmmm here we go. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RWKJ1HJ/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_i_if1nEbHH2KCT5

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    privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,844 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinJP said:
    Hmmm here we go. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RWKJ1HJ/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_i_if1nEbHH2KCT5

    Yep looks the same.

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    Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Agreed. Buh bye! Peace Roy

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    morgandollar1878morgandollar1878 Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭✭✭

    From a distance it might only be partially counterfeit, tell the seller to look at it a little closer to their face.

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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks bad to me.

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    davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,976 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    Somebody please post a picture of a real one to compare the date digits to.

    I was looking at notch in top cross member in shield above E, funky 3rd star, and difference of level of denticles versus rim edge.

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,137 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks!

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    SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "I was looking at notch in top cross member in shield above E, funky 3rd star, and difference of level of denticles versus rim edge."

    The rim edge is quite odd (looks upset to me)--has the coin in the OP's post been 'spooned?"

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    davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,976 ✭✭✭✭✭

    it still seems to have reeding, so couldn't have been spooned that much

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    blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 7,706 ✭✭✭✭✭

    yes

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    BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 11,773 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like the toning. :D

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    SweetpieSweetpie Posts: 560 ✭✭✭✭

    @davewesen said:
    I messaged a seller 'this coin is a counterfeit', their response is 'no it is not'. It came out of an old collection. What do you think?

    I think you shouldn't be the sheriff unless you have earned the badge.

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    davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,976 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Sweetpie said:

    I think you shouldn't be the sheriff unless you have earned the badge.

    just trying to help a seller with a $400 item that will probably eventually have an unhappy buyer. I came here to check if anyone thought I was wrong with my assessment.

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    savitalesavitale Posts: 1,410 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The rim looks very odd to me. Compare to this one.

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    yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 5,320 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 3, 2020 12:28AM


    Top is from PCGS CoinFacts, MS-66.
    Bottom is the fake.
    Clear differences in serifs on the date - bottom of the 1 and crosslets on the 4s.
    There is one known proof obverse die and one known MS obverse die.
    Both use the same date gang punch.
    http://www.seateddimevarieties.com/date_mintmark/1844varpage.htm

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    mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very fake.

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