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End Systemic Elitism - It Takes All of Us
ANA LM, LSCC, EAC, FUN

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  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree with what she wrote. I realize that the ANA doesn't just consist of collector-members. Dealers and others in the business end of the hobby matter too. But...there is a conflict of interest when the ANA takes money from hobby-related businesses in exchange for advertising ('sponsorships'). Not good.

    Member: EAC, NBS, C4, CWTS, ANA

    RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'

    CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    SMACK!
    The 1 thing I noticed was she said they could get higher table fees. Not from this ole boy!

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2, 2020 4:29PM

    Laura said:
    NOTHING has happened with this pathetic organization since I left it over 4 years ago.
    [...]
    The new leadership in my opinion has been totally ineffective no matter how loud they try and bang the pot.

    I'm not too surprised. During the ANA President campaign, Col Steven Ellsworth pledged to continue and build on existing programs. This is a continuation of the ANA-NGC relationship. Laura also recommended Ellsworth so I'm a bit surprised by her reaction, especially the criticism of the leadership she so enthusiastically endorsed just a little while back.

  • ReadyFireAimReadyFireAim Posts: 1,835 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "NOTHING has happened with this pathetic organization since I left it over 4 years ago"

    :D

  • jughead1893jughead1893 Posts: 1,776 ✭✭✭✭✭

    agree with LS.ana should not be tied to any business.one of the reasons im no longer a member

  • hchcoinhchcoin Posts: 4,837 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I wonder what she really thinks ;)

    I actually like her idea about the online University of Numismatics and think that could be very successful and a great area for growth. I am a college instructor and I teach online students all over. I also broadcast my class live via a web conferencing software called Blue Jeans. You can actually teach live anywhere to large groups of students at the same time using the service. Students connect to my class over their smart phones and with their computers anywhere they have an internet connection.

  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,029 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Anybody know how many social media platforms can the ANA can be found?

    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2, 2020 5:06PM

    I would also like to see the ANA develop some online courses, in part to make it easier for some (many?) collectors to participate in ANA educational activities, now mostly done via summer seminars, held in Colorado Springs, CO. Online courses won't work well for grading, however---students MUST see lots of coins in hand. This could be a difficult means of teaching counterfeit and altered coin detection, for the same reason. Just about everything else should be fair game.

    Member: EAC, NBS, C4, CWTS, ANA

    RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'

    CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
  • HydrantHydrant Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Stopped reading that stuff long ago. I did read this article though. Nothing has changed. Somebody knows everything and everyone else is wrong. It just gets me down.

    The Carter Family said it best, long ago.
    THERE'S A DARK AND TROUBLED SIDE OF LIFE
    THERE'S A BRIGHT AND SUNNY SIDE TOO
    THOUGH WE MEET WITH THE DARKNESS AND STRIFE
    THE SUNNY SIDE WE ALSO MAY VIEW

    KEEP ON THE SUNNY SIDE, ALWAYS ON THE SUNNY SIDE
    KEEP ON THE SUNNY SIDE OF LIFE
    IT WILL HELP US EVERY DAY, IT WILL BRIGHTEN ALL THE WAY
    IF WE'LL KEEP ON THE SUNNY SIDE OF LIFE

    Good.....timeless....advise.

  • Moxie15Moxie15 Posts: 318 ✭✭✭

    yes Mr Field, my writing is not what it once was, but I am not asking anyone to take me seriously nor do I hold myself up as a representative of a multi-million dollar company.

    They only ones I expect to take me seriously is my chickens and turkeys.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,915 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Moxie15 said:
    yes Mr Field, my writing is not what it once was, but I am not asking anyone to take me seriously nor do I hold myself up as a representative of a multi-million dollar company.

    They only ones I expect to take me seriously is my chickens and turkeys.

    That all sounds very reasonable to me and I like your attitude!👍

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I strongly agree. NO grading service should be sponsored.

  • HydrantHydrant Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Moxie15 said:

    They only ones I expect to take me seriously is my chickens and turkeys.

    You have chickens and turkeys? Me too. Happy to hear it. I thought I was the only one. And we have something else in common along the same lines......I also expect my chickens and turkeys to take me seriously ....after all.....I know the way to the chopping block. And I got the axe!

  • oldUScoinsoldUScoins Posts: 243 ✭✭✭✭

    LS always has an interesting take on things. She would be what I'd call a positive disrupter. On my software teams I like to have somebody who goes against the flow/herd and has a different view/opinion - even if they express it kinda - wildly.. Sometimes they help direct the team to see some truths that otherwise would have been missed. I think LS serves that purpose in the numismatic community.

    And I agree as well - ANA shouldn't have an official grading service.

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said: ;)

    @DIMEMAN said:
    LS needs to realize that nobody really cares what she thinks and/or writes.

    That’s far from true. Am it’s generally not a good idea to try to substitute your own opinion for everyone else’s.

    You're right I shouldn't have said "nobody" should have said "some of us". I'm not alone here.

  • HydrantHydrant Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2, 2020 4:22PM

    @oldUScoins said:
    LS always has an interesting take on things. She would be what I'd call a positive disrupter. On my software teams I like to have somebody who goes against the flow/herd and has a different view/opinion - even if they express it kinda - wildly.. Sometimes they help direct the team to see some truths that otherwise would have been missed. I think LS serves that purpose in the numismatic community.

    And I agree as well - ANA shouldn't have an official grading service.

    I was a member of a team long ago..And one of the team members was what I guess you would call a "positive disrupter.". That guy knew everything! Everybody else on the team was clueless. One evening, the positive disrupter was sitting on top of a wall of sandbags. The other, clueless team members kept telling him in hushed tones to GET DOWN! GET DOWN! But he knew better. Then.......his nose got shot off his face! He knew better right up until that point. He could have got everybody killed. That's what the clueless ones were trying to tell the positive disrupter. Oh, well.......

    SEMPER FI

  • oldUScoinsoldUScoins Posts: 243 ✭✭✭✭

    @Hydrant said:

    @oldUScoins said:
    LS always has an interesting take on things. She would be what I'd call a positive disrupter. On my software teams I like to have somebody who goes against the flow/herd and has a different view/opinion - even if they express it kinda - wildly.. Sometimes they help direct the team to see some truths that otherwise would have been missed. I think LS serves that purpose in the numismatic community.

    And I agree as well - ANA shouldn't have an official grading service.

    I was a member of a team long ago..And one of the team members was what I guess you would call a "positive disrupter.".

    No - he sounds like an idiot.

  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,850 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This does not seem to be a big picture concern... Next.

    Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2, 2020 4:53PM

    @Realone said:
    Laura is right again! Wish she owned the ANA and guided them to be a winner.

    She should run for ANA President. She endorsed Ellsworth who won but now she is criticizing the leadership she formerly endorsed.

  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,029 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Laura is always right !

    Her words AND actions have always spoke loudly to me 😄

    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • chesterbchesterb Posts: 962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Hydrant said:

    @oldUScoins said:
    LS always has an interesting take on things. She would be what I'd call a positive disrupter. On my software teams I like to have somebody who goes against the flow/herd and has a different view/opinion - even if they express it kinda - wildly.. Sometimes they help direct the team to see some truths that otherwise would have been missed. I think LS serves that purpose in the numismatic community.

    And I agree as well - ANA shouldn't have an official grading service.

    I was a member of a team long ago..And one of the team members was what I guess you would call a "positive disrupter.". That guy knew everything! Everybody else on the team was clueless. One evening, the positive disrupter was sitting on top of a wall of sandbags. The other, clueless team members kept telling him in hushed tones to GET DOWN! GET DOWN! But he knew better. Then.......his nose got shot off his face! He knew better right up until that point. He could have got everybody killed. That's what the clueless ones were trying to tell the positive disrupter. Oh, well.......

    SEMPER FI

    I like this post. I'm part of a team too. Not like this but in business. Often there are one or two people that are very opinionated and don't get along with others. They may be right sometimes but if the team doesn't respect you then your opinions and ideas aren't taken seriously by the group.

    It's too bad she may have had good ideas but she put people off in the process.

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,419 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bidask said:
    Laura is always right !

    Her words AND actions have always spoke loudly to me 😄

    I can’t even imagine Laura whispering.

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,029 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MrEureka said:

    @bidask said:
    Laura is always right !

    Her words AND actions have always spoke loudly to me 😄

    I can’t even imagine Laura whispering.

    :)

    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2, 2020 8:46PM

    She had plenty of opportunity to change things when she was at the helm. Today's ANA doesn't seem that different from the one she presided over. With that said:

    1. I think she is right that the ANA should be independent.
    2. While the ANA's ineptitude undoubtedly hurts it cause, the hobby is in decline so it is unfair to attribute all of it to ANA incompetence.
    3. The idea of an online numismatic university is not viable IMHO. Very few people are going to pay for a worthless certificate, and the program would not be financially self sustaining. I don't see advertisers throwing fistfuls of money for ad space from a dying organization either. It is already game over.
  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would 100% do the on line University just for sh8ts and giggles

    m

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