I agree with what she wrote. I realize that the ANA doesn't just consist of collector-members. Dealers and others in the business end of the hobby matter too. But...there is a conflict of interest when the ANA takes money from hobby-related businesses in exchange for advertising ('sponsorships'). Not good.
Member: EAC, NBS, C4, CWTS, ANA
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
Laura said:
NOTHING has happened with this pathetic organization since I left it over 4 years ago.
[...]
The new leadership in my opinion has been totally ineffective no matter how loud they try and bang the pot.
I'm not too surprised. During the ANA President campaign, Col Steven Ellsworth pledged to continue and build on existing programs. This is a continuation of the ANA-NGC relationship. Laura also recommended Ellsworth so I'm a bit surprised by her reaction, especially the criticism of the leadership she so enthusiastically endorsed just a little while back.
I actually like her idea about the online University of Numismatics and think that could be very successful and a great area for growth. I am a college instructor and I teach online students all over. I also broadcast my class live via a web conferencing software called Blue Jeans. You can actually teach live anywhere to large groups of students at the same time using the service. Students connect to my class over their smart phones and with their computers anywhere they have an internet connection.
I would also like to see the ANA develop some online courses, in part to make it easier for some (many?) collectors to participate in ANA educational activities, now mostly done via summer seminars, held in Colorado Springs, CO. Online courses won't work well for grading, however---students MUST see lots of coins in hand. This could be a difficult means of teaching counterfeit and altered coin detection, for the same reason. Just about everything else should be fair game.
Member: EAC, NBS, C4, CWTS, ANA
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
Stopped reading that stuff long ago. I did read this article though. Nothing has changed. Somebody knows everything and everyone else is wrong. It just gets me down.
The Carter Family said it best, long ago.
THERE'S A DARK AND TROUBLED SIDE OF LIFE
THERE'S A BRIGHT AND SUNNY SIDE TOO
THOUGH WE MEET WITH THE DARKNESS AND STRIFE
THE SUNNY SIDE WE ALSO MAY VIEW
KEEP ON THE SUNNY SIDE, ALWAYS ON THE SUNNY SIDE
KEEP ON THE SUNNY SIDE OF LIFE
IT WILL HELP US EVERY DAY, IT WILL BRIGHTEN ALL THE WAY
IF WE'LL KEEP ON THE SUNNY SIDE OF LIFE
"What is written here is the sole opinion of Laura Sperber, not the opinion of Legend Numismatics or its employees or partners."
Well, the following is my opinion...
Ms Sperber should take a few classes on writing, grammar, and communications. If I had any say on what went onto Legends website she would not write anything for it. Her combative and condescending tone and total lack of mastery of the English language reflects poorly on her employer. Every time I read a 'Hot Topics' I remember why I do not read them.
@Moxie15 said:
"What is written here is the sole opinion of Laura Sperber, not the opinion of Legend Numismatics or its employees or partners."
Well, the following is my opinion...
Ms Sperber should take a few classes on writing, grammar, and communications. If I had any say on what went onto Legends website she would not write anything for it. Her combative and condescending tone and total lack of mastery of the English language reflects poorly on her employer. Every time I read a 'Hot Topics' I remember why I do not read them.
But that is just my opinion.
Ms. Sperber is her own “employer“.
“Legend’s website”
“reflect poorly”
There are also a few missing commas.😉
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
yes Mr Field, my writing is not what it once was, but I am not asking anyone to take me seriously nor do I hold myself up as a representative of a multi-million dollar company.
They only ones I expect to take me seriously is my chickens and turkeys.
@Moxie15 said:
yes Mr Field, my writing is not what it once was, but I am not asking anyone to take me seriously nor do I hold myself up as a representative of a multi-million dollar company.
They only ones I expect to take me seriously is my chickens and turkeys.
That all sounds very reasonable to me and I like your attitude!👍
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
They only ones I expect to take me seriously is my chickens and turkeys.
You have chickens and turkeys? Me too. Happy to hear it. I thought I was the only one. And we have something else in common along the same lines......I also expect my chickens and turkeys to take me seriously ....after all.....I know the way to the chopping block. And I got the axe!
LS always has an interesting take on things. She would be what I'd call a positive disrupter. On my software teams I like to have somebody who goes against the flow/herd and has a different view/opinion - even if they express it kinda - wildly.. Sometimes they help direct the team to see some truths that otherwise would have been missed. I think LS serves that purpose in the numismatic community.
And I agree as well - ANA shouldn't have an official grading service.
@oldUScoins said:
LS always has an interesting take on things. She would be what I'd call a positive disrupter. On my software teams I like to have somebody who goes against the flow/herd and has a different view/opinion - even if they express it kinda - wildly.. Sometimes they help direct the team to see some truths that otherwise would have been missed. I think LS serves that purpose in the numismatic community.
And I agree as well - ANA shouldn't have an official grading service.
I was a member of a team long ago..And one of the team members was what I guess you would call a "positive disrupter.". That guy knew everything! Everybody else on the team was clueless. One evening, the positive disrupter was sitting on top of a wall of sandbags. The other, clueless team members kept telling him in hushed tones to GET DOWN! GET DOWN! But he knew better. Then.......his nose got shot off his face! He knew better right up until that point. He could have got everybody killed. That's what the clueless ones were trying to tell the positive disrupter. Oh, well.......
Like many other people who will read the article, I don’t know anything about the ANA registry, so I obviously don’t know what problems Laura sees with it. It would have been helpful in she filled in those details before she began her rant.
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
@oldUScoins said:
LS always has an interesting take on things. She would be what I'd call a positive disrupter. On my software teams I like to have somebody who goes against the flow/herd and has a different view/opinion - even if they express it kinda - wildly.. Sometimes they help direct the team to see some truths that otherwise would have been missed. I think LS serves that purpose in the numismatic community.
And I agree as well - ANA shouldn't have an official grading service.
I was a member of a team long ago..And one of the team members was what I guess you would call a "positive disrupter.".
@oldUScoins said:
LS always has an interesting take on things. She would be what I'd call a positive disrupter. On my software teams I like to have somebody who goes against the flow/herd and has a different view/opinion - even if they express it kinda - wildly.. Sometimes they help direct the team to see some truths that otherwise would have been missed. I think LS serves that purpose in the numismatic community.
And I agree as well - ANA shouldn't have an official grading service.
I was a member of a team long ago..And one of the team members was what I guess you would call a "positive disrupter.". That guy knew everything! Everybody else on the team was clueless. One evening, the positive disrupter was sitting on top of a wall of sandbags. The other, clueless team members kept telling him in hushed tones to GET DOWN! GET DOWN! But he knew better. Then.......his nose got shot off his face! He knew better right up until that point. He could have got everybody killed. That's what the clueless ones were trying to tell the positive disrupter. Oh, well.......
SEMPER FI
I like this post. I'm part of a team too. Not like this but in business. Often there are one or two people that are very opinionated and don't get along with others. They may be right sometimes but if the team doesn't respect you then your opinions and ideas aren't taken seriously by the group.
It's too bad she may have had good ideas but she put people off in the process.
She had plenty of opportunity to change things when she was at the helm. Today's ANA doesn't seem that different from the one she presided over. With that said:
I think she is right that the ANA should be independent.
While the ANA's ineptitude undoubtedly hurts it cause, the hobby is in decline so it is unfair to attribute all of it to ANA incompetence.
The idea of an online numismatic university is not viable IMHO. Very few people are going to pay for a worthless certificate, and the program would not be financially self sustaining. I don't see advertisers throwing fistfuls of money for ad space from a dying organization either. It is already game over.
I would 100% do the on line University just for sh8ts and giggles
m
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Comments
I agree with what she wrote. I realize that the ANA doesn't just consist of collector-members. Dealers and others in the business end of the hobby matter too. But...there is a conflict of interest when the ANA takes money from hobby-related businesses in exchange for advertising ('sponsorships'). Not good.
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
SMACK!
The 1 thing I noticed was she said they could get higher table fees. Not from this ole boy!
I'm not too surprised. During the ANA President campaign, Col Steven Ellsworth pledged to continue and build on existing programs. This is a continuation of the ANA-NGC relationship. Laura also recommended Ellsworth so I'm a bit surprised by her reaction, especially the criticism of the leadership she so enthusiastically endorsed just a little while back.
"NOTHING has happened with this pathetic organization since I left it over 4 years ago"
My Saint Set
agree with LS.ana should not be tied to any business.one of the reasons im no longer a member
I wonder what she really thinks
I actually like her idea about the online University of Numismatics and think that could be very successful and a great area for growth. I am a college instructor and I teach online students all over. I also broadcast my class live via a web conferencing software called Blue Jeans. You can actually teach live anywhere to large groups of students at the same time using the service. Students connect to my class over their smart phones and with their computers anywhere they have an internet connection.
Lol now what would that topic sound like if it was PCGS not NGC involved, I'll bet a 180 switch and so would the Kool-Aid replies here.
My Collection of Old Holders
Never a slave to one plastic brand will I ever be.
Anybody know how many social media platforms can the ANA can be found?
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
I would also like to see the ANA develop some online courses, in part to make it easier for some (many?) collectors to participate in ANA educational activities, now mostly done via summer seminars, held in Colorado Springs, CO. Online courses won't work well for grading, however---students MUST see lots of coins in hand. This could be a difficult means of teaching counterfeit and altered coin detection, for the same reason. Just about everything else should be fair game.
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
Stopped reading that stuff long ago. I did read this article though. Nothing has changed. Somebody knows everything and everyone else is wrong. It just gets me down.
The Carter Family said it best, long ago.
THERE'S A DARK AND TROUBLED SIDE OF LIFE
THERE'S A BRIGHT AND SUNNY SIDE TOO
THOUGH WE MEET WITH THE DARKNESS AND STRIFE
THE SUNNY SIDE WE ALSO MAY VIEW
KEEP ON THE SUNNY SIDE, ALWAYS ON THE SUNNY SIDE
KEEP ON THE SUNNY SIDE OF LIFE
IT WILL HELP US EVERY DAY, IT WILL BRIGHTEN ALL THE WAY
IF WE'LL KEEP ON THE SUNNY SIDE OF LIFE
Good.....timeless....advise.
"What is written here is the sole opinion of Laura Sperber, not the opinion of Legend Numismatics or its employees or partners."
Well, the following is my opinion...
Ms Sperber should take a few classes on writing, grammar, and communications. If I had any say on what went onto Legends website she would not write anything for it. Her combative and condescending tone and total lack of mastery of the English language reflects poorly on her employer. Every time I read a 'Hot Topics' I remember why I do not read them.
But that is just my opinion.
Ms. Sperber is her own “employer“.
“Legend’s website”
“reflect poorly”
There are also a few missing commas.😉
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
LS needs to realize that nobody really cares what she thinks and/or writes.
That’s far from true. Am it’s generally not a good idea to try to substitute your own opinion for everyone else’s.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
yes Mr Field, my writing is not what it once was, but I am not asking anyone to take me seriously nor do I hold myself up as a representative of a multi-million dollar company.
They only ones I expect to take me seriously is my chickens and turkeys.
That all sounds very reasonable to me and I like your attitude!👍
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I strongly agree. NO grading service should be sponsored.
You have chickens and turkeys? Me too. Happy to hear it. I thought I was the only one. And we have something else in common along the same lines......I also expect my chickens and turkeys to take me seriously ....after all.....I know the way to the chopping block. And I got the axe!
LS always has an interesting take on things. She would be what I'd call a positive disrupter. On my software teams I like to have somebody who goes against the flow/herd and has a different view/opinion - even if they express it kinda - wildly.. Sometimes they help direct the team to see some truths that otherwise would have been missed. I think LS serves that purpose in the numismatic community.
And I agree as well - ANA shouldn't have an official grading service.
You're right I shouldn't have said "nobody" should have said "some of us". I'm not alone here.
I was a member of a team long ago..And one of the team members was what I guess you would call a "positive disrupter.". That guy knew everything! Everybody else on the team was clueless. One evening, the positive disrupter was sitting on top of a wall of sandbags. The other, clueless team members kept telling him in hushed tones to GET DOWN! GET DOWN! But he knew better. Then.......his nose got shot off his face! He knew better right up until that point. He could have got everybody killed. That's what the clueless ones were trying to tell the positive disrupter. Oh, well.......
SEMPER FI
Like many other people who will read the article, I don’t know anything about the ANA registry, so I obviously don’t know what problems Laura sees with it. It would have been helpful in she filled in those details before she began her rant.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
No - he sounds like an idiot.
This does not seem to be a big picture concern... Next.
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
She should run for ANA President. She endorsed Ellsworth who won but now she is criticizing the leadership she formerly endorsed.
Laura is always right !
Her words AND actions have always spoke loudly to me 😄
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
I like this post. I'm part of a team too. Not like this but in business. Often there are one or two people that are very opinionated and don't get along with others. They may be right sometimes but if the team doesn't respect you then your opinions and ideas aren't taken seriously by the group.
It's too bad she may have had good ideas but she put people off in the process.
I can’t even imagine Laura whispering.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
She had plenty of opportunity to change things when she was at the helm. Today's ANA doesn't seem that different from the one she presided over. With that said:
I would 100% do the on line University just for sh8ts and giggles
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......