My (belated and brief) NYINC 2020 show report and newps

EVillageProwler · January 30, 2020 8:54PM

Got in Wednesday in time for Triton Session IV:

Bid on and won one (relatively) low value lot (medieval Milan Grosso), but it wasn't the one I wanted. Lost the Pezza della rosa for about double what I felt it was worth. Lost an early Anglo-Saxon penny for half an increment. Lost my consolation lot (a gorgeous Commonwealth Unite). Later at night, while commiserating with @Nap, I realized that the lot I was intending to buy from a dealer's inventory was just sold. Not having a good show so far, and it was only Wednesday.

ITALY, Milano (Signori). Prima Repubblica.

1250-1310. AR Grosso da 8 denari (21mm, 2.09g, 5h). Struck circa 1298-1310. (trefoil) MEDIOLANVM, cross pattée; trilobes in quarters / • S AmB ROSIV’, St. Ambrose seated facing on throne, raising hand in benediction and holding croizer. Grierson, Coins of Medieval Europe, p. 149; CNI V 29 var. (pellet after ; Bellesia 7; MIR 68/1; Biaggi 1427. Toned. Superb EF.

Ex Richard A. Jourdan Collection of Medieval European Coins (Triton XXIII, 15 Jan 2020, lot 1124).
Ex Classical Numismatic Group 99 (13 May 2015), lot 1021.

Thursday was Early Bird day, and I made my usual rounds to my favorite dealers of British and Italian States material. I eventually decided on two lovely Italian States coins from one of my favorite people in this hobby:

ITALY, Papale (Stato pontificio). Innocenzo XII.

1691-1701. AR Mezzo Piastra (36mm, 16.02g, 12h). Roma mint; Ferdinand De Saint Urbain, engraver. Dually dated RY IX and 1699. • INNOCEN • XII • PONT • M • A • IX; capped bust right; S • V • below bust / PARATE • VIAM • DOMINI; St. John the Baptist preaching to crowd; date at bottom. Muntoni 36; CNI 123; KM 613. Choice EF, lustrous and toned. Rare.

Ex Matteo Cavedoni (MCN) inventory, #39070.

ITALY, Toscana (Granducato). Ferdinando II de Medici.

1621-1670. AR Piastra (45mm, 32.59g, 6h). Fourth Series. Firenze mint. Dated 1630. * FERDIN • II • MAGN • DVX • ETRVRIÆ •, bareheaded, draped, and armored, half-length bust right, wearing ornate collar; Maltese Cross on breastplate; * 1630 * below bust / • S • IOANNE S • B APTISTA •, S. Giovanni Battista standing facing in desert, head left, pointing upward and holding cruciform staff with banner; · 1630 · in exergue. CNI XII 60; Di Giulio 85; MIR 291/3; Davenport 4200; Pucci 46e. EF, toned, obverse die break. Rare.

Ex Matteo Cavedoni (MCN) inventory, #38934.

I also spied three Pezza della rosa specimens, and a half Pdr, in the dealer's case. So, I asked @Zohar to make an opinion on the one that was a decent fit for my strained budget.

ITALY, Toscana (Livorno). Cosimo III de Medici.

1670-1723. AR Pezza della rosa (43mm, 25.85g, 6h). Firenze mint. Dated 1703. • COSMVS • III • D • G • M • DVX • ETRVRIAE • date; crowned coat-of-arms / GRATIA OBVIA VLTIO QVAESITA; rose bush; • LIBVRNI • in exergue. CNI XI 72; MIR 66/8; Davenport 1499; KM 15.3; Pucci 78. Hairline die breaks on obverse. EF. Lustrous.

Ex Matteo Cavedoni (MCN) inventory, #39756.

I am very happy that I left the show with a nice example of this iconic type, especially after getting blown out on the lot in Triton! (The Triton lot, IMO, was better than mine but not that much better.)

Thursday concluded with a nice dinner inside Grand Central Terminal at Oyster Bar with @Stork, @TwoKopeiki, @Nap and @Zohar.

Friday began with breakfast with a dealer at a nearby stereotypical bagel place where (I think) we all got bagels with cream cheese and sliced lox. Yummy! After reviewing the available lots of Anglo-Saxon and Tudor, Stuart and Commonwealth material, I settled on two modestly priced Anglo-Saxon pennies:

ANGLO-SAXON, Anglo-Viking (Danish Northumbria). Cnut.

Circa 900-905. AR Penny (19mm, 1.42g, 3h). Class IIe/Cunneti type. Eoferwic (York) mint. CNVT (in chrismatic form) REX and pellets around long patriarchal cross, with four pellets around lower crossbar / +CVN::NET::TI::, short cross pattée with pellets. North 501; SCBC 993. Choice EF, toned and lustrous.

Ex CNG inventory, #529448.
Ex Mark Feeehill collection.
Spink ticket in the hand of May Sinclair.

The name Cnut is arranged around the arms of the cross in the manner early Christians would cross themselves during prayer.

ANGLO-SAXON, Kings of All England. Edward the Confessor.

1042-1066. AR Penny (17mm, 1.14g, 12h). Pacx type. Thetford mint; Godwine, moneyer. Struck circa 1042-1044. + EDPERD REX AN, diademed bust left; trefoil-tipped scepter before / + GO PI(NE) O(NN) ÐE :, voided long cross with crescent at ends and pellet at center; P A C X in quarters. North 813; SCBC 1171. Very slight double strike on reverse. EF, attractively toned.

Ex CNG inventory, #529453.
Ex Mark Freehill collection.
SNC Dec 2000 HS0019.
Ex Dr. Robin J. Eaglen collection (Baldwin 18, 12 Oct. 1998, lot 1540).

There was a third penny that I am still considering; it is much more expensive, and I am told it'll be another couple of months before it appears in the dealer's inventory.

I also negotiated with CNG to purchase a passed Triton lot:

ITALY, Retegno (baronia imperiale e feudo). Antonio Tolomeo Trivulzio-Gallio.

1708-1767. AR Mezzo Tallero (34.5mm, 14.49g, 12h). Dated 1726. ANT : PTOLOM : TRIVULTIUS •, draped and armored bust right / S • R • I • PRIN • & • BARO • RETENY • IMP • date; crowned and mantled coat-of-arms. CNI IV 6; MIR 915; KM 35. Lustrous and toned. EF.

Ex Triton XXIII, 15 Jan 2020, lot 1158.

I eventually make my way back to my Italian dealer friend to chat and to look at more eye candy when he decided I should buy one more coin from him:

ITALY, Toscana (Livorno). Cosimo III de Medici.

1670-1723. AR Mezzo Pezza della rosa (32mm, 12.81g, 6h). Firenze mint. Dated 1697. • COSMVS • III • D • G • M • DVX • ETRVRIAE • date; crowned coat-of-arms / GRATIA OBVIA VLTIO QVAESITA; rose bush; • LIBVRNI • in exergue. CNI XI 44; MIR 67; KM 31; Pucci 65. VF. Toned. Very rare.

Ex Matteo Cavedoni (MCN) inventory, #12592.

He also told me that he will get me the 1/4 Pezza della rosa in the future, which is impossibly rare.

Friday concluded with dinner at a nearby upscale food court with the usual suspects, minus TwoKopeiki but adding @superpsychmd.

Saturday started with a stereotypical NYC hole-in-the-wall diner for breakfast, with lunch at a nearby Sophie's for tasty Cuban food, a BNS presentation on the ANS' collection of British material, and dinner at Turkish Kitchen with the NY Numismatic Club members. I honestly cannot recall my time on the bourse floor that day; I think I wasn't feeling well.

After dinner I continue to feel horribly. I got around 2h of sleep and Sunday I felt so ill that I checked out early and took Lyft all the way home to central NJ. After I got home, I promptly vomited, ate some rice porridge that my wife made for my stomach and then slept for the next several hours.

This Wednesday arrival / Sunday departure schedule is possibly more than I can handle. I may have to re-think the schedule next year, or force myself to take more naps. I asked the Club VP about moving the NYINC club social to Friday evening, but he didn't respond favorably. So, that's one extra night for me that I do not want to blow off.

EVillageProwler · January 30, 2020 9:18PM

In the other posts, folks seemed interested in the state of the market...

When I go to coin shows, I have tunnel vision. I seek specific series of coins and usually only at specific dealers. From what I can tell, just about every coin I liked in the auctions went for big money. And, dealers with fresh inventory really caught my eye, but there weren't that many of them since most dealers have an online presence and I scour their sites often anyway.

My aforementioned Italian dealer friend is a caveman in terms of technology. His online presence is email and Facebook Messenger. Since I only see him once a year, and he brings his best stuff, I naturally think his material is fresh.

Bob13 · January 30, 2020 10:05PM

Thanks for the report and I enjoyed seeing all of your newps.

The Innocent XII coin looks outstanding! I also learned something on the Cnut penny.

EVillageProwler · January 31, 2020 3:41AM

@Bob13 said:
Thanks for the report and I enjoyed seeing all of your newps.

The Innocent XII coin looks outstanding! I also learned something on the Cnut penny.

Thanks for the comment. What did you learn about the Cnut penny?

worldcoinguy · January 31, 2020 4:32AM

Excellent additions EVP. I am drawn to the 1699 half piastra in particular. Your high praise of Mr Cavedoni has been echoed by others. I really need to get to a future NYC show and see it all with my own eyes.

Zohar · January 31, 2020 5:37AM

@EVillageProwler said:
In the other posts, folks seemed interested in the state of the market...

When I go to coin shows, I have tunnel vision. I seek specific series of coins and usually only at specific dealers. From what I can tell, just about every coin I liked in the auctions went for big money. And, dealers with fresh inventory really caught my eye, but there weren't that many of them since most dealers have an online presence and I scour their sites often anyway.

My aforementioned Italian dealer friend is a caveman in terms of technology. His online presence is email and Facebook Messenger. Since I only see him once a year, and he brings his best stuff, I naturally think his material is fresh.

Great show and indeed Matteo has wonderful material and tremendous knowledge. EVP has built a superb Italian States set. I actually bought a piece from Matteo myself, out of scope, yet a real beauty. Will share when the PCGS image pops up.

pruebas · January 31, 2020 6:25AM

It seems Matteo suffered some kind of injury and yet he still made it to the show. That must have been difficult for him, but judging by all your good comments, beneficial all around.

At last year’s show, he actually had a coin for me (Cambodia of all things), but I just couldn’t afford it at the time.

darth_morgan · January 31, 2020 6:47AM

Great post, and excellent images! I recognize the presentation type from the Numismatic Photography Facebook group.

Bob13 · January 31, 2020 10:50AM

@EVillageProwler said:

@Bob13 said:
Thanks for the report and I enjoyed seeing all of your newps.

The Innocent XII coin looks outstanding! I also learned something on the Cnut penny.

Thanks for the comment. What did you learn about the Cnut penny?

The ordering of the lettering. Just a much more religious time.

Iosephus · January 31, 2020 4:22PM

Beautiful mezza piastra of Innocent XII.

EVillageProwler · January 31, 2020 6:29PM

@Iosephus said:
Beautiful mezza piastra of Innocent XII.

Thanks. I know you’re partial to such coinage. This one called to me, and I answered.

EVillageProwler · January 31, 2020 6:31PM

@worldcoinguy said:
Excellent additions EVP. I am drawn to the 1699 half piastra in particular. Your high praise of Mr Cavedoni has been echoed by others. I really need to get to a future NYC show and see it all with my own eyes.

If you come, I’ll buy you a beer! And I’ll introduce you to Matteo.

EVillageProwler · January 31, 2020 6:34PM

@pruebas said:
It seems Matteo suffered some kind of injury and yet he still made it to the show. That must have been difficult for him, but judging by all your good comments, beneficial all around.

He made fun of my cooking, and a few friends from the Golden Triangle paid him a visit.

Meiji · February 1, 2020 8:24AM

Amazing Italian pieces!! My favorite being the ferdinando de medici.

My (belated and brief) NYINC 2020 show report and newps

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