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CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,219 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited December 16, 2019 1:13PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Interesting 1920's ad from The Numismatist offering a 1797 Half Cent struck on a Massachusetts Half Cent. Is this piece known today?

Professional Numismatist, Retired. 55 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner of the PNG's 2026 Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.

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    toyz4geotoyz4geo Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Love the old ads....

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    TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pictured coin in an (undisclosed) dealer inventory right now. Description says it's struck over a "Talbot Token", vice Mass. half cent. But I don't know how accurate the above advertisement is.

    May have no relation to your quest...but is interesting, anyway. ;)

    (Current location undisclosed just in case the good Captain actually has interest in acquiring it.)

    Easily distracted Type Collector
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,219 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have no idea if the old ad attribution was correct of not, but it will give the Half Cent collectors something to look for!

    Professional Numismatist, Retired. 55 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner of the PNG's 2026 Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,219 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 16, 2019 4:29PM

    Here's something else of interest, a Texas $2-1/2

    Professional Numismatist, Retired. 55 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner of the PNG's 2026 Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
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    JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice!

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    TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 16, 2019 5:48PM

    Just to close my little end of the topic:

    Think the coin I posted IS a Talbot Allum & Lee token overstrike, like the one here:

    Seems to my eyes that you can see the "NE....ORK" from NEW YORK under the date, and running to the lower left. Can't make out anything on the reverse, or anywhere else.

    Interested?
    https://www.westcoastcoinsoregon.com/1797-1-2c-1-above-1-liberty-cap-half-cent-type-3-facing-right-small-head-pcgs-g6bn-47451685.html

    I'm not against pimping coins for good dealers. ;)

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,219 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree the one you pictured is over a T, A & L. The one I posted the mentioned may be a different piece.

    Professional Numismatist, Retired. 55 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner of the PNG's 2026 Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
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    BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,782 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Never know what you're going to run into when looking for stuff.

    This is a real neat thread!

    Pete

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    BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,782 ✭✭✭✭✭

    R.I.P. Mr. Brown

    Pete

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    Aegis3Aegis3 Posts: 2,944 ✭✭✭

    I've not heard of that overstrike either.

    A hypothesis: Consider the possibility that a partial undertype legend was the main cause of attribution, namely the letters COMM (or less), apparently thought as part of the COMMON | WEALTH legend of a MA copper. But perhaps not thought of is that the TAL copper has the legend LIBERTY & COMMERCE. So I have a suspicion that it is actually a misattributed TAL overstrike.

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    Ed. S.

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,219 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TommyType said:

    Pictured coin in an (undisclosed) dealer inventory right now. Description says it's struck over a "Talbot Token", vice Mass. half cent. But I don't know how accurate the above advertisement is.

    May have no relation to your quest...but is interesting, anyway. ;)

    (Current location undisclosed just in case the good Captain actually has interest in acquiring it.)

    Does the other side show a "COMM"?

    Professional Numismatist, Retired. 55 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner of the PNG's 2026 Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
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    TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 17, 2019 11:17PM

    @CaptHenway said:

    Does the other side show a "COMM"?

    Not that I can see....But here it is:

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,219 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks. So, we still do not know if we are talking about two different understrikes.

    Makes sense that it they would do one they would do others as well.

    Professional Numismatist, Retired. 55 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner of the PNG's 2026 Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.

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