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Is this a Proof or a Business Strike?

abcde12345abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭
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I know either way it's been cleaned.

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Possibly an impaired Proof. Without being able to magnify the image to look for diagnostics - good luck. Perhaps you can go on to the Heritage site, magnify their images and compare the microscopic details with your piece.

  • abcde12345abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The flatness of the ear bothers me yet the strike of the stars makes me think "what if?".

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,856 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The amount of detail leads me to think Proof.

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  • commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,096 ✭✭✭

    Looks like a Proof.

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  • abcde12345abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:
    Possibly an impaired Proof. Without being able to magnify the image to look for diagnostics - good luck. Perhaps you can go on to the Heritage site, magnify their images and compare the microscopic details with your piece.

    That's way too much work. (I'm having a moment of pure honesty here...) Simply too lazy. I'd rather just ask here and except the answers given.

  • cnncoinscnncoins Posts: 414 ✭✭✭✭

    Looks more like a proof with the detail and strike. Also looks like a bit of a wire edge at 11-12 o'clock on the obverse

  • ArizonaRareCoinsArizonaRareCoins Posts: 679 ✭✭✭✭

    The location of the "1" in the date 1900, centered directly above the dentil tells me this is a proof

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Impossible to judge for me from the pictures. But I don't like the rim weakness on the lower reverse side.

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You got me to looking! There seems to be quite a few variations in the date positions. I found this one before I finished looking at the ones I have pictures of https://ebay.com/itm/293323450080

    @ArizonaRareCoins said:
    The location of the "1" in the date 1900, centered directly above the dentil tells me this is a proof

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm starting to question whether that coin is genuine...soaked in acid?

  • kevinstangkevinstang Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭

    I don't like the denticles all around- they seem to be of varying consistency-should be hammered on a proof.

  • KkathylKkathyl Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 18, 2019 8:56PM

    Cannot see contrast is it possible to be UNC version? proof data vs circulated Why all flat
    None proof info

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  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm going to call it! Can't believe I didn't have an immediate impression but I have jet lag from the 11 hour drive Back from Baltimore.

    It's Fake! Look how Liberty's bonnet ghosts into the fields. Unless that coin has been soaked in acid for awhile it's not genuine IMHO!

    @kevinstang said:
    I don't like the denticles all around- they seem to be of varying consistency-should be hammered on a proof.

  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,657 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The obverse looked good, but the rims on the reverse are weak, along with the denticles.

    thefinn
  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,657 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Kkathyl said:
    Cannot see contrast is it possible to be UNC version? proof data vs circulated Why all flat
    None proof info

    Cleaned with impaired surfaces.

    thefinn
  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 18, 2019 10:11PM

    @amwldcoin said:
    I'm starting to question whether that coin is genuine...soaked in acid?

    Proof if it's real, but I too question its authenticity. The color and surfaces are concerning.

  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My first guy thought was fake, based on nothing but a feeling and experience.
    I could well be wrong.

  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 5,046 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 18, 2019 10:46PM

    @ArizonaRareCoins said:
    The location of the "1" in the date 1900, centered directly above the dentil tells me this is a proof

    Interesting.
    So there are no known business strike 1900 Barber halves with this date position?
    I didn't know the date positions on Barber halves had been studied to this level of detail.
    Is the date on just a small number of working hubs that produced all the obverse dies?

  • ArizonaRareCoinsArizonaRareCoins Posts: 679 ✭✭✭✭

    @yosclimber said:

    @ArizonaRareCoins said:
    The location of the "1" in the date 1900, centered directly above the dentil tells me this is a proof

    Interesting.
    So there are no known business strike 1900 Barber halves with this date position?
    I didn't know the date positions on Barber halves had been studied to this level of detail.
    Is the date on just a small number of working hubs that produced all the obverse dies?

    I've only seen proofs with the dentil perfectly centered below the "1", I've not seen a perfectly centered "1" on a business strike.........:
    Here's a business strike:

    Here's a proof:

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,661 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am going with business strike -
    obverse-> star details and area around ear
    reverse-> arrowhead details

    PR62 from coinfacts

  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 5,046 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 19, 2019 2:51AM

    @ArizonaRareCoins said:

    @yosclimber said:

    @ArizonaRareCoins said:
    The location of the "1" in the date 1900, centered directly above the dentil tells me this is a proof

    Interesting.
    So there are no known business strike 1900 Barber halves with this date position?
    I didn't know the date positions on Barber halves had been studied to this level of detail.
    Is the date on just a small number of working hubs that produced all the obverse dies?

    I've only seen proofs with the dentil perfectly centered below the "1", I've not seen a perfectly centered "1" on a business strike.........:
    Here's a business strike:
    ...

    Here's a proof:
    ...


    PR-68 DCAM
    There are also some proofs which do not have the dentil perfectly centered below the "1",
    but this does not refute your assertion that the "1 centered above a dentil" date position is proof-only.
    (To refute your assertion, I would have to find a 1900 business strike with "1 centered above a dentil".)

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Have a look at the 1 in the link I provided.

    @yosclimber said:

    @ArizonaRareCoins said:
    The location of the "1" in the date 1900, centered directly above the dentil tells me this is a proof

    Interesting.
    So there are no known business strike 1900 Barber halves with this date position?
    I didn't know the date positions on Barber halves had been studied to this level of detail.
    Is the date on just a small number of working hubs that produced all the obverse dies?

  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 5,046 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @amwldcoin said:
    Have a look at the 1 in the link I provided.


    Yes, it does look pretty well centered over the dentil.

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