Finally achieved Top Rated Seller on Ebay

davids5104 · July 21, 2019 6:48AM

So this was a long time coming for me.... I was held back by the inability to sell individual silver dimes or quarters and include tracking. Once I figured that out I am now a top rated seller!!!

jmlanzaf · July 21, 2019 6:58AM

Congratulations.

Shouldn't this be in the BST?

Also, you are publicly advertising intent to violate ebay policies.

davids5104 · July 21, 2019 7:01AM

@jmlanzaf said:
Congratulations.

Also, you are publicly advertising intent to violate ebay policies.

Valid point!!!!1 thread modified

derryb · July 21, 2019 7:02AM

It's not against ebay policy to sell elsewhere. The violation occurs when you communicate to do so using ebay's messaging system.

Kkathyl · July 21, 2019 7:03AM

Way to go. Congratulations. 🎉

cappedlibertyx · July 21, 2019 7:05AM

Tighten up!
Don’t worry, I’ll still take a look...

jmlanzaf · July 21, 2019 7:06AM

@derryb said:
It's not against ebay policy to sell elsewhere. The violation occurs when you communicate to do so using ebay's messaging system.

Not true. It mentions contacting the seller, not contacting through eBay messaging:

https://ebay.com/help/policies/payment-policies/offers-buy-sell-outside-ebay-policy?id=4272

davewesen · July 21, 2019 7:19AM

how did you add individual tracking for low priced coins?

giorgio11 · July 21, 2019 7:21AM

And what does achieving that status get you, exactly? Anyway, congratulations.

Kind regards,

George

Coinstartled · July 21, 2019 7:27AM

@giorgio11 said:
And what does achieving that status get you, exactly? Anyway, congratulations.

Kind regards,

George

Used to be a 20% fvf discount and worth the effort, at 10% now, it is of little value.

davids5104 · July 21, 2019 7:27AM

@davewesen said:
how did you add individual tracking for low priced coins?

I started selling them as groups of 5 coins, so the unc roosevelts would be like 20 bucks for 5

davids5104 · July 21, 2019 7:36AM

@giorgio11 said:
And what does achieving that status get you, exactly? Anyway, congratulations.

Kind regards,

George

very little. It gives you a Top Rated shield on your listings, which I believe the theory is "you are dealing with an experienced seller" and you save 10% on final value fees, which is 1%. The reason I felt it was reasonable to attempt to achieve, is that EBay forces the return policy anyway and the handling time does not bother me. Might as well save another 1%

davids5104 · July 21, 2019 7:40AM

@jmlanzaf said:

@derryb said:
It's not against ebay policy to sell elsewhere. The violation occurs when you communicate to do so using ebay's messaging system.

Not true. It mentions contacting the seller, not contacting through eBay messaging:

https://ebay.com/help/policies/payment-policies/offers-buy-sell-outside-ebay-policy?id=4272

I believe you are misreading the policy. It says for transactions THAT START OUT on EBay. if you contact me thru ebay and I say hey lets do this outside of ebay, then yes that is against policy. It is not wrong to post a link to my ebay page and say buy my stuff listed on ebay via contact through list serve.

MasonG · July 21, 2019 7:46AM

I sell a lot of coins valued under $50, and the potential fee discount doesn't come close to what I can save by not using tracking, so I quit trying to qualify for Top Rated seller status- its $3 for tracking vs. 70 cents without for a one ounce shipment. I don't see that it has affected my sales at all.

Hemispherical · July 21, 2019 8:25AM

@davids5104 said:

@davewesen said:
how did you add individual tracking for low priced coins?

I started selling them as groups of 5 coins, so the unc roosevelts would be like 20 bucks for 5

Sell in lots (groups).

Congrats @davids5104!

giorgio11 · July 21, 2019 8:33AM

@davids5104 said:

@giorgio11 said:
And what does achieving that status get you, exactly? Anyway, congratulations.

Kind regards,

George

very little. It gives you a Top Rated shield on your listings, which I believe the theory is "you are dealing with an experienced seller" and you save 10% on final value fees, which is 1%. The reason I felt it was reasonable to attempt to achieve, is that EBay forces the return policy anyway and the handling time does not bother me. Might as well save another 1%

If you have a store (mine is $27.95 a month) then your FVF is 6.15% on coins. So this would save you 0.615% to be a Top-Rated Seller? That's 31 cents on a $50 coin. Hmmm.

Coinstartled · July 21, 2019 9:01AM

@giorgio11 said:

@davids5104 said:

@giorgio11 said:
And what does achieving that status get you, exactly? Anyway, congratulations.

Kind regards,

George

very little. It gives you a Top Rated shield on your listings, which I believe the theory is "you are dealing with an experienced seller" and you save 10% on final value fees, which is 1%. The reason I felt it was reasonable to attempt to achieve, is that EBay forces the return policy anyway and the handling time does not bother me. Might as well save another 1%

If you have a store (mine is $27.95 a month) then your FVF is 6.15% on coins. So this would save you 0.615% to be a Top-Rated Seller? That's 31 cents on a $50 coin. Hmmm.

And for that you have to offer free returns, ship the next day even if it takes 5 days for a slumbering bidder to cough up the money and each night at sunset, bow obsequiously in the direction of Ebay headquarters.

ctf_error_coins · July 21, 2019 9:09AM

@Coinstartled said:

@giorgio11 said:

@davids5104 said:

@giorgio11 said:
And what does achieving that status get you, exactly? Anyway, congratulations.

Kind regards,

George

very little. It gives you a Top Rated shield on your listings, which I believe the theory is "you are dealing with an experienced seller" and you save 10% on final value fees, which is 1%. The reason I felt it was reasonable to attempt to achieve, is that EBay forces the return policy anyway and the handling time does not bother me. Might as well save another 1%

If you have a store (mine is $27.95 a month) then your FVF is 6.15% on coins. So this would save you 0.615% to be a Top-Rated Seller? That's 31 cents on a $50 coin. Hmmm.

And for that you have to offer free returns, ship the next day even if it takes 5 days for a slumbering bidder to cough up the money and each night at sunset, bow obsequiously in the direction of Ebay headquarters.

And, with eBay ultra-low fees, you can make a profit IF and only IF, You Coinstartled want to Work for it. Do you want to Work for it, or just Complain?

jmlanzaf · July 21, 2019 9:09AM

@derryb said:
It's not against ebay policy to sell elsewhere. The violation occurs when you communicate to do so using > @davids5104 said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@derryb said:
It's not against ebay policy to sell elsewhere. The violation occurs when you communicate to do so using ebay's messaging system.

Not true. It mentions contacting the seller, not contacting through eBay messaging:

I believe you are misreading the policy. It says for transactions THAT START OUT on EBay. if you contact me thru ebay and I say hey lets do this outside of ebay, then yes that is against policy. It is not wrong to post a link to my ebay page and say buy my stuff listed on ebay via contact through list serve.

Sorry, but I call BS.

If someone looks at your items on eBay, the transaction STARTED on eBay. While it is nearly impossible for eBay to police, what they are trying to prevent is you using their server space and their eyeballs and not paying for the privilege.

If you are so sure, give me permission to contact eBay and tell them that you offered a 10% discount on eBay listed items for people that contacted you directly and see what they say.

jmlanzaf · July 21, 2019 9:11AM

Directly from eBay (emphasis added by me):

"Buyers and sellers aren't allowed to share or request direct contact information prior to completing a sale. They also can't use information they've obtained on eBay to contact each other to buy or sell off eBay. Sellers who listed an item on eBay must pay all fees for the eBay services they've used, even if the sale is completed off eBay (such as cash on delivery, pay on pickup, or paid by check or money order)."

Coinstartled · July 21, 2019 9:12AM

@ErrorsOnCoins said:

@Coinstartled said:

@giorgio11 said:

@davids5104 said:

@giorgio11 said:
And what does achieving that status get you, exactly? Anyway, congratulations.

Kind regards,

George

very little. It gives you a Top Rated shield on your listings, which I believe the theory is "you are dealing with an experienced seller" and you save 10% on final value fees, which is 1%. The reason I felt it was reasonable to attempt to achieve, is that EBay forces the return policy anyway and the handling time does not bother me. Might as well save another 1%

If you have a store (mine is $27.95 a month) then your FVF is 6.15% on coins. So this would save you 0.615% to be a Top-Rated Seller? That's 31 cents on a $50 coin. Hmmm.

And for that you have to offer free returns, ship the next day even if it takes 5 days for a slumbering bidder to cough up the money and each night at sunset, bow obsequiously in the direction of Ebay headquarters.

And, with eBay ultra-low fees, you can make a profit IF and only IF, You Coinstartled want to Work for it. Do you want to Work for it, or just Complain?

C'mon, EOC. It wouldn't be an Ebay thread if you, me and the professor didn't muddy it up.

jmlanzaf · July 21, 2019 9:13AM

Also directly from eBay:

"Sellers are also liable for final value fees if they offer or reference their contact information, or ask for a buyer's contact information, in the context of buying or selling outside of eBay, even if the item does not sell."

jmlanzaf · July 21, 2019 9:14AM

Also directly from ebay (emphasis added by me):

Not allowed
Some examples of activities that aren't allowed include:

Using member contact information obtained from eBay or using any eBay system to offer to sell any listed item outside of eBay
Posting or displaying contact information in a listing, including email, phone number, and mailing address, without the permission of eBay or except as required by law
Canceling a listing to sell to a buyer who found the item on eBay

amwldcoin · July 21, 2019 9:14AM

Hmmm, I tried that and discovered just how many dishonest people there are out there.

@MasonG said:
I sell a lot of coins valued under $50, and the potential fee discount doesn't come close to what I can save by not using tracking, so I quit trying to qualify for Top Rated seller status- its $3 for tracking vs. 70 cents without for a one ounce shipment. I don't see that it has affected my sales at all.

ctf_error_coins · July 21, 2019 9:15AM

@jmlanzaf said:
Directly from eBay (emphasis added by me):

. Sellers who listed an item on eBay must pay all fees for the eBay services they've used, even if the sale is completed off eBay ."

All of my coins that are on eBay are also on my own personal website that I pay to have hosted.

Also, I show some of the coins in public forums as a way to "advertise" them.

I never make a transaction outside of ebay using eBay's messaging system.

No worries be

jmlanzaf · July 21, 2019 9:16AM

My FINAL word on the subject:

It happens all the time. eBay has a hard time policing it or enforcing it. I really don't care what you do. But let's not pretend that it isn't against eBay policy, no matter what you may think of that particular policy.

Coinstartled · July 21, 2019 9:17AM

@ErrorsOnCoins said:

@jmlanzaf said:
Directly from eBay (emphasis added by me):

. Sellers who listed an item on eBay must pay all fees for the eBay services they've used, even if the sale is completed off eBay ."

All of my coins that are on eBay are also on my own personal website that I pay to have hosted.

Also, I show some of the coins in public forums as a way to "advertise" them.

I never make a transaction outside of ebay using eBay's messaging system.

No worries be

The letter if not the intent.

amwldcoin · July 21, 2019 9:18AM

And just how many major dealers in the country do exactly just that? I could probably name at least a dozen off the top of my head.

@jmlanzaf said:
Sorry, but I call BS.

If someone looks at your items on eBay, the transaction STARTED on eBay. While it is nearly impossible for eBay to police, what they are trying to prevent is you using their server space and their eyeballs and not paying for the privilege.

If you are so sure, give me permission to contact eBay and tell them that you offered a 10% discount on eBay listed items for people that contacted you directly and see what they say.

jmlanzaf · July 21, 2019 9:18AM

@ErrorsOnCoins said:

@jmlanzaf said:
Directly from eBay (emphasis added by me):

. Sellers who listed an item on eBay must pay all fees for the eBay services they've used, even if the sale is completed off eBay ."

All of my coins that are on eBay are also on my own personal website that I pay to have hosted.

Also, I show some of the coins in public forums as a way to "advertise" them.

I never make a transaction outside of ebay using eBay's messaging system.

No worries be

I don't care what anyone does. Listing in multiple locations is fine, although eBay really wants any coin found on eBay to be bought on eBay. But that aside, that isn't what the OP was doing. The OP originally told us to go to his eBay listings and contact him directly if we want a 10% discount. THAT is DEFINITELY a violation of eBay policy. [Whether you like the policy, think the policy is legal or enforceable is quite beside the point.]

Coinstartled · July 21, 2019 9:20AM

That is the second "final word"

jmlanzaf · July 21, 2019 9:20AM

@amwldcoin said:
And just how many major dealers in the country do exactly just that? I could probably name at least a dozen off the top of my head.

@jmlanzaf said:
Sorry, but I call BS.

If someone looks at your items on eBay, the transaction STARTED on eBay. While it is nearly impossible for eBay to police, what they are trying to prevent is you using their server space and their eyeballs and not paying for the privilege.

If you are so sure, give me permission to contact eBay and tell them that you offered a 10% discount on eBay listed items for people that contacted you directly and see what they say.

As I said in my other post, it happens all the time and is impossible for eBay to police. But it IS against policy especially the way the OP did it. He edited his original post. But his original post specifically told us to go look at his eBay page and contact directly for a 10% discount. That is DEFINITELY against policy - no matter what you think of the policy.

jmlanzaf · July 21, 2019 9:21AM

@Coinstartled said:

@ErrorsOnCoins said:

@jmlanzaf said:
Directly from eBay (emphasis added by me):

. Sellers who listed an item on eBay must pay all fees for the eBay services they've used, even if the sale is completed off eBay ."

All of my coins that are on eBay are also on my own personal website that I pay to have hosted.

Also, I show some of the coins in public forums as a way to "advertise" them.

I never make a transaction outside of ebay using eBay's messaging system.

No worries be

The letter if not the intent.

LOL. You' think EOC would want eBay to get its cut of the action.

jmlanzaf · July 21, 2019 9:22AM

And before anyone gets up in my grill on this, I simply suggested the OP not advertise his willful violation of the eBay policy. I didn't report him to eBay or anything else. Just friendly advice.

ctf_error_coins · July 21, 2019 9:26AM

@jmlanzaf said:

@Coinstartled said:

@ErrorsOnCoins said:

@jmlanzaf said:
Directly from eBay (emphasis added by me):

. Sellers who listed an item on eBay must pay all fees for the eBay services they've used, even if the sale is completed off eBay ."

All of my coins that are on eBay are also on my own personal website that I pay to have hosted.

Also, I show some of the coins in public forums as a way to "advertise" them.

I never make a transaction outside of ebay using eBay's messaging system.

No worries be

The letter if not the intent.

LOL. You' think EOC would want eBay to get its cut of the action.

Ebay gets exactly what I owe them.

My sales off of eBay are a direct result of MY hard work.

I do pay ebay more every month than I have ever paid any corporation, month after month, increasing all the time as my sales increase.

Coinstartled · July 21, 2019 9:30AM

@jmlanzaf said:
And before anyone gets up in my grill on this, I simply suggested the OP not advertise his willful violation of the eBay policy. I didn't report him to eBay or anything else. Just friendly advice.

I am on your side on this. Even in the days of easy communication, I found the practice of going around Ebay pretty wretched. i complain and disagree with the escalated fees, but it is their operation and they are entitle to be compensated for their service.

Never liked the practice of going around Paypal either with the F&F option on coin sales.

Coinstartled · July 21, 2019 9:31AM

@ErrorsOnCoins said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@Coinstartled said:

@ErrorsOnCoins said:

@jmlanzaf said:
Directly from eBay (emphasis added by me):

. Sellers who listed an item on eBay must pay all fees for the eBay services they've used, even if the sale is completed off eBay ."

All of my coins that are on eBay are also on my own personal website that I pay to have hosted.

Also, I show some of the coins in public forums as a way to "advertise" them.

I never make a transaction outside of ebay using eBay's messaging system.

No worries be

The letter if not the intent.

LOL. You' think EOC would want eBay to get its cut of the action.

Ebay gets exactly what I owe them.

My sales off of eBay are a direct result of MY hard work.

I do pay ebay more every month than I have ever paid any corporation, month after month, increasing all the time as my sales increase.

Sounds like you are trying to convince yourself of something.

davids5104 · July 21, 2019 11:07AM

this post devolved into something that was not intended.

derryb · July 21, 2019 2:45PM

@jmlanzaf said:

@derryb said:
It's not against ebay policy to sell elsewhere. The violation occurs when you communicate to do so using ebay's messaging system.

Not true. It mentions contacting the seller, not contacting through eBay messaging:

https://ebay.com/help/policies/payment-policies/offers-buy-sell-outside-ebay-policy?id=4272

True.

The OP mentions contacting him through forum PM, not through Ebay messaging. If you were correct, then every item that a major dealer such as AMPEX sells through their own website that is also listed on ebay makes that dealer liable for ebay fees even when the item sells on their website. Again, the violation occurs when a seller contacts "another ebay member" to do the deal off ebay. The only form of contacting each other under ebay's domain and control is the ebay messaging system. Discussion/sales outside of that system do not fall under ebay's "laws." The fact that large dealers such as APMEX list the same product on both ebay and their own website validates the argument.

Ebay's "Offers to buy or sell outside of Ebay" that you linked:

"When a transaction that started out on eBay is completed outside of the eBay platform, the buyer and seller are no longer covered by eBay protection programs and the eBay Money Back Guarantee. As such, contacting another eBay member to discuss moving a purchase off eBay creates a risk of fraud, and is not permitted. Please see our full policy guidelines below for more details.

Buyers and sellers aren't allowed to share or request direct contact information prior to completing a sale. They also can't use information they've obtained on eBay to contact each other to buy or sell off eBay. Sellers who listed an item on eBay must pay all fees for the eBay services they've used, even if the sale is completed off eBay (such as cash on delivery, pay on pickup, or paid by check or money order)."

If a seller or buyer asks you to complete a transaction outside of eBay, please contact us.

ctf_error_coins · July 21, 2019 2:50PM

@davids5104 said:
this post devolved into something that was not intended.

What's new?

derryb · July 21, 2019 4:40PM

@jmlanzaf said:
Also directly from eBay:

"Sellers are also liable for final value fees if they offer or reference their contact information, or ask for a buyer's contact information, in the context of buying or selling outside of eBay, even if the item does not sell."

again, when done using the ebay messaging system. You're over reading their policy. Of course they want you to think their rules apply to communication outside of ebay, but note that they do not directly claim that.

A transaction does not start on ebay until a bid is made or a potential buyer communicates with the seller using the ebay messaging system. Until then it is a listing, not a transaction:

"When a transaction that started out on eBay is completed outside of the eBay platform, the buyer and seller are no longer covered by eBay protection programs and the eBay Money Back Guarantee. As such, contacting another eBay member to discuss moving a purchase off eBay creates a risk of fraud, and is not permitted. Please see our full policy guidelines below for more details."

TwoSides2aCoin · July 21, 2019 5:00PM

Try as we will, our costs for fees to do the work, are still the cost of doing business.
To be a power seller, a top rated seller, etc., still takes time and effort. Kudos to you, too.

I'm in that camp, for many moons. I don't sell outside of ebay, except where I work ...outside of ebay.

Zoins · July 21, 2019 5:05PM

Congrats! Great achievement!

sparky64 · July 21, 2019 6:28PM

@davids5104 said:
this post devolved into something that was not intended.

Eh, they can't help themselves.

Oh...Congrats!

Finally achieved Top Rated Seller on Ebay

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