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CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 11,240 ✭✭✭✭✭

After reading the Rare Coin Market Report about "PL" designations I'm wondering is it necessary that the coin have frosty devices? Although it did not say that, most (all but one) of the examples did have the frost. The one w/o was the 2019 Jefferson.

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    cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 11,354 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CoinscratchFever said:
    After reading the Rare Coin Market Report about "PL" designations I'm wondering is it necessary that the coin have frosty devices? Although it did not say that, most (all but one) of the examples did have the frost. The one w/o was the 2019 Jefferson.

    No. The designation is based on the depth of reflectivity in the fields.

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    oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 13,324 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I believe that the frosted devices would be indicative of a "cameo", which is not likely on a circulation strike coin.

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    Jzyskowski1Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,649 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 6, 2019 9:52AM

    Of the 6 examples I own. MS. PL. PCGS none appear to have frosted devices but they certainly are PL. 🙀jzyskowski

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    cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 11,354 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @oih82w8 said:
    I believe that the frosted devices would be indicative of a "cameo", which is not likely on a circulation strike coin.

    Cameo contrasts can and do exist of some early strike circulation strikes. You see it more often on Morgan Dollars, but I have also seen it on other non-Morgan PL issues. It is not very common at all.

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    CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 11,240 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think I might have found one in the 2005 D 10c. Although, I believe this is a satin finish set? The dime looks different, like a proof.

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    Jzyskowski1Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,649 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 6, 2019 8:29PM

    This is what I could find 🙀jzyskowski sorry not the best pic 20 different shots and how cruel a mistress lighting can be

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    CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 11,240 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Jzyskowski1 @FiveaDime ... I see notifications from ya'll but not the content, could be my computer...

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    HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 7, 2019 9:32AM

    @CoinscratchFever said:
    @Jzyskowski1 @FiveaDime ... I see notifications from ya'll but not the content, could be my computer...

    @CoinscratchFever Fiveadime was put on a mute ban awhile back. They can read and attempt to post but no one can read/see it.

    The same is for Jzyskowsky?

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    cladkingcladking Posts: 30,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm not very familiar with the date but... ...wow!!!

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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,897 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cladking said:
    I'm not very familiar with the date but... ...wow!!!

    I'm not really into moderns, but ... wow!

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    CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 11,240 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Two very experienced Wows, sounds like good news! So, I'll have it graded, hope it hits PL, and then like the article said, wait to see what sayeth the market. If proof-like coins are made from new or newly polished dies then I assume this could garner a higher grade if nothing else.

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    StoogeStooge Posts: 4,703 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CoinscratchFever said:
    Two very experienced Wows, sounds like good news! So, I'll have it graded, hope it hits PL, and then like the article said, wait to see what sayeth the market. If proof-like coins are made from new or newly polished dies then I assume this could garner a higher grade if nothing else.

    All 2005 mint sets are Satin Finish coins. Not sure if PCGS will accept these with the PL designation due to the granulated satin finish, but if it were me, I would say NO.

    The only way to obtain a true business strike 2005 dime is to search rolls.


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    mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    50/50 shot at PL because of the satin finish coins. (May want to ask them before submitting.)
    Helluva coin though!

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    U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 7,044 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CoinscratchFever it does have the PL look from the photos. I do know that NGC has graded SMS coins with the PL designation. As far as your coin, unless it grades 69 PL, I’m not sure if grading will be worth it. An NGC MS 68 PL sold for $47 on eBay:

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    CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 11,240 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @U1chicago . I feel like it would hit a 68 all day, I'm just wondering if the hit on the reverse keeps it from a 69.

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    U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 7,044 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CoinscratchFever said:
    @U1chicago . I feel like it would hit a 68 all day, I'm just wondering if the hit on the reverse keeps it from a 69.

    I’m not sure either and think it’s a toss-up. At the very least, I’d suggest waiting to submit this coin with some others or else the cost will be quite high.

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    CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 11,240 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Stooge . I wasn't sure either but, the very first sentence of this article states All US coinage. And then again on page 8 in BIG BOLD letters highlighted in YELLOW.

    https://www.qgdigitalpublishing.com/publication/?i=597277&p=8#{"page":"8","issue_id":597277}

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    CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 11,240 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @U1chicago said:

    @CoinscratchFever said:
    @U1chicago . I feel like it would hit a 68 all day, I'm just wondering if the hit on the reverse keeps it from a 69.

    I’m not sure either and think it’s a toss-up. At the very least, I’d suggest waiting to submit this coin with some others or else the cost will be quite high.

    Yep, I always send them in bunches and I just filled out an order online that I haven't boxed up yet. Do you think I can add it to my order, online or just by adding to the paperwork?

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    U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 7,044 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CoinscratchFever said:

    @U1chicago said:

    @CoinscratchFever said:
    @U1chicago . I feel like it would hit a 68 all day, I'm just wondering if the hit on the reverse keeps it from a 69.

    I’m not sure either and think it’s a toss-up. At the very least, I’d suggest waiting to submit this coin with some others or else the cost will be quite high.

    Yep, I always send them in bunches and I just filled out an order online that I haven't boxed up yet. Do you think I can add it to my order, online or just by adding to the paperwork?

    I don’t know the answer to that, but a call to PCGS customer service should help answer it (or maybe someone else on here knows).

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    cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 11,354 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's a very neat coin. I think it has a good chance at a PL designation with NGC. I have no idea about PCGS yet.

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    CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 11,240 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 8, 2019 12:22PM

    Yea, its pretty cool - Whatever the outcome I'll enjoy it and put it in my dcam box for now. Correction - Cameo box :D

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