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Calling Error Experts. What is the specific name for this strike thru error.
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This Morgan dollar has a void where something was between the planchet and the die. This is a fairly large defect. Nevertheless, it is not rare. What is interesting on this coin is the impressed outline of the denticals below the void. It appears that a piece of the struck rim from another coin fell onto the planchet.
What do you call this. What happened to cause it? THANKS!
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Feeder finger damage? Or a reeded edge strike from an object? Help me Obi wan, you are my only hope.
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Struck Thru Press Operator Fart?
Looks more like a clashed die than struck through.
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Wooden false teeth would leave that........yep.
bob
You funny guys should be ashamed of yourselves.
When I find out the correct answer, I'll post it and then we can make the jokes.
Struck thru a feather?
Struck on a defective planchet.
Delamination occured prior to striking.
Would like to see the full reverse.
I see lamination striations so not a strike through.
May be similar to a dropped letter? Grease impacted into the collar falls out and gets struck into the coin.
I read that in the 1800's they used sawdust to clean dies - oil and rust - and some beginning strikes of the die still had some sawdust that was struck through until fell off. Do you see anything that looks like wood grain?
The horizontal gray incuse patch could be anything, even a chunk of sawdust. It is not a lamination. The incuse beads are very unusual. I suspect part of a struck coin fell off after striking and got between the planchet and dies of the next strike.
The reverse is normal.
Please post a pic of the whole coin.
Sorry, this is all that is needed for some error coin expert to educate selfish me as to what this is. If or as soon as one does, I'll post their opinion.
I've already said that I believe a piece of the rim from a struck dollar broke off the side of a coin and was impressed into the next coin that was struck (denticles and a curved mark with original planchet surface). The horizontal unstruck area above the mark is where the dropped fragment prevented the dies from touching the planchet. That's the only answer I can think of to explain this. I know my limitations! I what to hear from the knowledgeable folks.
If you are trying to say struck thru reeding, then I disagree which does not look like that IMO.
Oh, perhaps you are saying stuck thru very thin peeled off lamination of the denticles, well I have never seen that so I couldn't tell you.
That's what I'm thinking.
I had a friend in med school for pathology. The instructor should show them micro images of tissue and challenge them to figure out what was going on. They’d guess some rare disease and then he’d zoom out to show them it was actually a cross section from a Ballpark hotdog.
Context is important.
See my update ...."Oh, perhaps you are saying stuck thru very thin peeled off lamination of the denticles, well I have never seen that so I couldn't tell you."
I thought of that, but the frosted texture of the indents implies something firmer. I can’t decide between a lamination peeled off the rim of a previously struck coin then getting struck into this coin, or a foreign object getting struck into a previous coin at the rim and then falling onto the reverse die.
Bottom line, struck through a struck fragment of unknown origin.
Viewing on my iPad and not on my larger computer screen – it looks like a lamination to me from that small area photo – a photo of the entire reverse would be helpful:
I definitely don't think this error is struck through a lamination at denticles. For denticles to be included in a lamination from another coin, they should curve in the opposite direction.
It looks to me like this coin was struck through a lamination from the reverse of another Morgan Dollar, laminated half in the feathers and half in the flat field.
Thanks and yes. I've never seen anything like it before and cannot think of anything else it could be. As to thin...something had to cause the mark above the beads. Probably a chunk of the field attached to the denticals.
Does the strike thru pattern line up exactly with the denticles pattern?
If we could SEE THE ENTIRE REVERSE we could compare the markings with the denticles!!!!
Looks a lot like denticles on the lower portion.
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Zipper Wing.
If I had the ability, I'd superimpose the image of a rim on the the strike thru image.
I'm really sorry to be such a __________________________, after all I'm the one who is asking for help; BUT IMHO, I have never understood the requests to see rims, reeding, edges, obverses, reverses, holders, entire coins, or whatever when ONLY a tiny part of a coin is involved. A clash mark, overstrike, striking errors, etc. may be some of the exceptions. I'll see if I can get the coin back.
Anyway, thanks for the helpful posts.