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Just curious: What was the history on "70" ending up being the top grade number?

Why 70?

As an addendum, why is there an irregular spacing between other grades? 35, 40, 45, 50, 53, 55, 58?
Was this just pulling numbers out of a hat? Or was there well thought out reasoning?

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    Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,430 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wiggle room, kinda like a report card from the 1950's.

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    WingedLiberty1957WingedLiberty1957 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 23, 2018 6:46AM

    wiggle room to go to 80 someday? and or 59 ? It all just seems so arbitrary. Perhaps there was a madman at the helm when this was decided.

    in the 1960's I remember codes like UNC, BU, Choice BU, Gem BU. I dont recall numbers like 63, 65, 67, 70 -- but maybe those had already started in inner circles?

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    Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,430 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree, condition massaged the ego and ocd in many. Presto, a merchandising industry created before our very eyes. Peace Roy

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    leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,573 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @WingedLiberty1957 said:
    wiggle room to go to 80 someday? and or 59 ? It all just seems so arbitrary. Perhaps there was a madman at the helm when this was decided.

    in the 1960's I remember codes like UNC, BU, Choice BU, Gem BU. I dont recall numbers like 63, 65, 67, 70 -- but maybe those had already started in inner circles?

    The numerals eventually became synonymous with the wording; ie, Unc = MS60 to 62, Bu = MS63, Choice BU became MS64, Gem BU MS65, Choice Gem MS66, Superb BU MS67, Choice Superb MS68. Choice meaning, a coin picked from its former grouping.

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    AlexinPAAlexinPA Posts: 1,458 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @WingedLiberty1957 said:
    wiggle room to go to 80 someday? and or 59 ? It all just seems so arbitrary. Perhaps there was a madman at the helm when this was decided.

    in the 1960's I remember codes like UNC, BU, Choice BU, Gem BU. I dont recall numbers like 63, 65, 67, 70 -- but maybe those had already started in inner circles?

    That's how I remember the 1960's. No fuss; no muss.

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    KudbegudKudbegud Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here is a nice, short, explanation with out a lot of history. You can download it for ready reference.


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    BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The original top number was one lower, but the censors stepped in. The did the same when Trans World Airline and Transport first abbreviated their name and painted it on their aircraft. No, seriously.

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    WALLEWALLE Posts: 394 ✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for all the great info on this.

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    BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,782 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @AlexinPA said:

    @WingedLiberty1957 said:
    wiggle room to go to 80 someday? and or 59 ? It all just seems so arbitrary. Perhaps there was a madman at the helm when this was decided.

    in the 1960's I remember codes like UNC, BU, Choice BU, Gem BU. I dont recall numbers like 63, 65, 67, 70 -- but maybe those had already started in inner circles?

    That's how I remember the 1960's. No fuss; no muss.

    The numbers were always there..........just didn't use them for advertising.

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    WillieBoyd2WillieBoyd2 Posts: 5,418 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thirty years ago computers used "IBM" cards which held 80 characters of data.

    Grades 01-70 took two characters while grades 001-100 took three.

    :)

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    oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 13,265 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 24, 2018 7:49AM

    @BlindedByEgo said:
    The original top number was one lower, but the censors stepped in. The did the same when Trans World Airline and Transport first abbreviated their name and painted it on their aircraft. No, seriously.

    Kinda like after 9/11 when reporters were calling it The War Against Terror...which was dropped rather suddenly.

    Interesting articles posted above.

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The Captain sure was one of them.

    I'll add that AFAIK there were no coins graded '70 until around the late 1980's (can anyone help me out here?) although perfect coins had always existed. My guess is ANACS was the first to break the ceiling. Otherwise, it was PCGS. That coin was probably a "modern." NGC was the last major TPGS to adopt the grade.
    I can remember the fuss when a Barber quarter was graded 69 by a major service.

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,234 ✭✭✭✭✭

    While I was at ANACS, we grade a Matte Proof Saint a PF-70. Probably around 1980 or 81. Gorgeous coin and flawless.

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thank you! We now know the coin and the major TPGS that was first to assign that grade.

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