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giorgio11giorgio11 Posts: 3,939 ✭✭✭✭✭

I posted this yesterday on the Q&A Forum and was encouraged to post it here, so this is a repeat:

I have a friend who has a really nice 1827 O-144 Square Base 2 in AU55 NGC. This is a very rare die variety. Any ideas what route he should pursue to get the best price at auction? He is considering Great Collections, I believe, and the attribution is on the slab. No, this is not my coin. I suggested he contact the Bust Half Nut Club to get their recommendations. Any ideas?

Thanks and Kind Regards,

George

PS I will try to get some images from him and post them as soon as I can. Thanks for your counsel.

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  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,782 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I strongly recommend GC as auction house. A fixed price BIN / Make Offer ebay listing another possibility.

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  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,515 ✭✭✭✭✭

    cross it, CAC it, then Downey or Heritage or David Kahn

  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    PM sent ...

    @Barndog said:
    cross it, CAC it, then Downey or Heritage or David Kahn

    ... and I will add ... based on the images, Sheridan Downey (auction or consignment) or David Kahn (consignment) may be your best option.

    Nice coin ... very rare die marriage. You will get more money in PCGS plastic and depending on the grade, I imagine it would CAC as well.

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  • Someone’s gonna pay up for that example. I wish I could put it in place of my O.144 PCGS VG08. (Because it’s going to catch a bump sooner or later)
    I would go Sheridan Downey all the way. He’s got the good stuff & often times things tend to get quite competitive to obtain an item such as that.

  • shorecollshorecoll Posts: 5,447 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would agree Sheridan, however, either option typically will get good bids on something like this.

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  • logger7logger7 Posts: 9,044 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would think you need the big build up that Stacks/Bowers or HA offer. Shorter term auctions may not bring the type of respect a coin like that deserves.

  • giorgio11giorgio11 Posts: 3,939 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @logger7 @shorecoll @cappedlibertyx Isn't it a roughly $5,000-$7,000-ish coin, depending on final grade/CAC? Do you really think that would get a big buildup at HA or SB? I would think at HA it might be better to put it in one of their smaller auctions like Dallas or a Long Beach. Or is it likely to bring more than I think?

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  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Let's wake up Lance. @lkeigwin

  • jonrunsjonruns Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is a rare die variety which appeals to a very small number of specialists...I agree with others to cross to PCGS and send to CAC...then Downey or Khan on consignment!!! I love GC but the general auction route is hit or miss with a variety like this...

  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,825 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not my area of collecting but I doubt that the plastic brand will make any difference so no reason to throw money away crossing, I'd see about getting the CAC bean and then decide on the auction house.

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Barndog said:
    cross it, CAC it, then Downey or Heritage or David Kahn

    ^^^ This.

  • coin22lovercoin22lover Posts: 3,542 ✭✭✭

    I am aware of a private sale where an NGC AU50 sold for $3,000 a couple years ago, for the record.

  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,515 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinbuf said:
    Not my area of collecting but I doubt that the plastic brand will make any difference so no reason to throw money away crossing, I'd see about getting the CAC bean and then decide on the auction house.

    I am pretty certain you are incorrect about your assumption that the brand of plastic does not matter.

  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,825 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 18, 2018 8:08PM

    @Barndog said:

    @coinbuf said:
    Not my area of collecting but I doubt that the plastic brand will make any difference so no reason to throw money away crossing, I'd see about getting the CAC bean and then decide on the auction house.

    I am pretty certain you are incorrect about your assumption that the brand of plastic does not matter.

    So far everyone has said this is a very rare die pair, and everyone nowdays goes crazy nuts for color which this coin has. So it's a rare coin with color, it could be in an ACG holder and it will still go for moon money. I would decide a price I'm comfortable selling at, try for the green bean and let it rip, besides if the new owner is a Kool-Aid drinker it will get crossed eventually anyway so why throw money at it for no gain.

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  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,515 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Plastic is important for resale value, just like granite countertops.

  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinbuf said:
    Not my area of collecting but I doubt that the plastic brand will make any difference so no reason to throw money away crossing, I'd see about getting the CAC bean and then decide on the auction house.

    It is my area of collecting and you are not correct about the plastic. PCGS plastic will make you more money than the cost to have it graded (including shipping both ways). The collectors/dealers who will be bidding on this piece do care about the TPG. The rarity of the die marriage will drive the price rather than the color.

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  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    well, the grade beats out my non-existent one

    Frank

    BHNC #203

  • As far as plastic goes, 95% of my CBH's are PCGS. Of my 1827 die marriages, 22 of 26 are in PCGS plastic. The other 4 are raw. So for me, PCGS CBH's are the ones that get my attention and obviously, are the ones that I end up bidding on. Luckily, the lions share of Sheridan, Kahn, & Heritage CBH's are in PCGS plastic. In conclusion, Plastic matters.

  • OKbustchaserOKbustchaser Posts: 5,546 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 19, 2018 8:38AM

    @Treashunt said:
    well, the grade beats out my non-existent one

    Beats my VG-8 as well...and yes, I paid up for PCGS/CAC when I bought it earlier this year.

    Just because I'm old doesn't mean I don't love to look at a pretty bust.
  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OKbustchaser said:

    @Treashunt said:
    well, the grade beats out my non-existent one

    Beats my VG-8 as well...and yes, I paid up for PCGS/CAC when I bought it earlier this year.

    good move

    Frank

    BHNC #203

  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cappedlibertyx said:
    As far as plastic goes, 95% of my CBH's are PCGS. Of my 1827 die marriages, 22 of 26 are in PCGS plastic. The other 4 are raw. So for me, PCGS CBH's are the ones that get my attention and obviously, are the ones that I end up bidding on. Luckily, the lions share of Sheridan, Kahn, & Heritage CBH's are in PCGS plastic. In conclusion, Plastic matters.

    Of the very few CBHs in NGC holders are either 'provenanced' holders or exceptional coins with CAC stickers. I am well north of 95% in PCGS holders.

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