Does it change anyone's opinion one way or another? Have fun today and enjoy!**
Yes, the D looks correct for die 4 images others have posted. The upper bands also look genuine. Don't think the rim ding should hold it back. Good luck.
Sanction,'16-D dimes are right up there with 1909 SVDB cents as the most counterfeited issues of the US mint ever. And there are some good ones. So good as to fool many a knowledgeable collector and leave him or her scratching their head when they learn that their '16-D is in fact a well-done fake.
Better to be skeptical on '16-D dime than overly optimistic.But that's just me.
Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.
@StrikeOutXXX said:
The MM position is fairly close to Die #4
Top row is Die # 1-2
2nd row is Die # 3-4
Bottom is OP coin
Unfortunately from my angle based on the 4 die pics the coin is not any of them. How come know one is saying that, it is pretty obvious. Then when reading the story of how it was acquired and its incredible condition I would venture to continue that line of reasoning and say it is still a fake. I wish it weren't so because what a find it would be but pics don't lie when they are clear.
IMO of course
I agree that mm location isnt correct, Weinman's initials arent correct and the fields on obverse look strange. I hope that we are wrong, as this would be quite a find!
I encourage the OP to post the results of PCGS's findings here. Part of the fun of this hobby is learning something new.
Years ago, I attended a show where a dealer of some renown was telling me about a 1916-D dime that he once purchased from a person unknown to him who offered the piece in a Capitol plastics holder. The dealer told me he was in kind of a rush tending to his buying customers so just paid the fellow cash for the dime without opening the holder. 1916 obverse and "D" reverse looked good to him.
Later, after the seller was long gone, the dealer opened the holder and found that he was the proud owner of not one but two Mercury dimes. Needless to say, neither dime was a 1916-D.
Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.
Wow...tough crowd....sent fedex on 11/24 they processed 11/26 some confusion on coin submission as had 3 different submissions and a bunch of different tiers...anyhow got his coin back first even though the 16-D was submitted under express category...also came in raw by the way....
i
So back to the 16 D.....was on way home TODAY, and PCGS grade alert popped up and it came back counterfeit ....
I let the customer know....I let the crow eating member of this board who posted earlier know....and now I let the world know....
I emailed PCGS and asked them if I could get the details on the counterfeit for a learning experience...figured I spent the $65 for tuition, might as well learn something....
My point of view is always hope it real, but assume it is fake unless I can prove to myself that it is otherwise...it is only the 2nd coin I ever submitted that came back counterfeit....the other was a 1909 S Indian that I bought raw from another dealer, suspected it was not good( or too good to be true) all red and gorgeous...and had a iron clad money back guarantee in writing...that he did not fully honor
@Verno said:
So back to the 16 D.....was on way home TODAY, and PCGS grade alert popped up and it came back counterfeit ....
I let the customer know....I let the crow eating member of this board who posted earlier know....and now I let the world know....
I emailed PCGS and asked them if I could get the details on the counterfeit for a learning experience...figured I spent the $65 for tuition, might as well learn something....
My point of view is always hope it real, but assume it is fake unless I can prove to myself that it is otherwise...it is only the 2nd coin I ever submitted that came back counterfeit....the other was a 1909 S Indian that I bought raw from another dealer, suspected it was not good( or too good to be true) all red and gorgeous...and had a iron clad money back guarantee in writing...that he did not fully honor
@SanctionII said:
Forumites can be very quick in posting to a thread like this and giving their opinions.
Reading threads like this provides insight into the persons who post replies.
Good luck to you and the owner of the 1916D dime. Hopefully it will straight grade as an MS coin.
I’m not eating crow, are you?
Sometimes when one owns a few of the coins in question they sorta know what they’re talking about, especially when decent pics are provided to prove their point.
The coin has been deemed counterfeit by a TPG. The opinions of some posters to this thread have been vindicated. The opinions of other posters have been vanquished.
The coin has been deemed counterfeit by a TPG. The opinions of some posters to this thread have been vindicated. The opinions of other posters have been vanquished.
Heck forget TPG, members here posted it was fake for freeeeeeee!
An In depth analysis of a popular and rare coin like the 16-D is good for everyone. It reinforces beliefs for all by opening up discussion and providing valuable information to educate others.
Win Win. I enjoyed the whole thing Verno.
Not the result though.
Pete
"I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
Glad nobody ate crow....of if you did you enjoyed it.
Sorry to OP that it was not the real deal....happens.
Short story. On the Carson River at about age 10 with my first .22 rifle. Dad and I were just "hunting" anything like rabbits and crows. Yes, had a crow follow us along the river for about a mile. I must have taken 10 shots at him as he flew overhead. No luck. Dad said that the crows eyesight is so good, and the .22 bullet is so slow, that he could dodge it every time and I'd never get him.
He roosted across the river in a cottonwood and I could see him clearly without looking right at him. Had to fool him I thought. So, he got the urge and took flight and just when he did I swiveled and shot. Damn, he dropped dead right there and fell straight to the ground.
Dad could not believe I got him. But the next words were tougher to eat than the crow. "Okay, kid go get him and bring him back cause that's your dinner." I did as instructed with a quick dip and cold crappy swim.
Ate crow that night and in fact it's a lovely white meat and mild and tasty....so
The next time you have to eat crow, don't worry because it's pretty dang good.
And that's my two bits worth.
bob
Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com
@AUandAG said:
Glad nobody ate crow....of if you did you enjoyed it.
Sorry to OP that it was not the real deal....happens.
Short story. On the Carson River at about age 10 with my first .22 rifle. Dad and I were just "hunting" anything like rabbits and crows. Yes, had a crow follow us along the river for about a mile. I must have taken 10 shots at him as he flew overhead. No luck. Dad said that the crows eyesight is so good, and the .22 bullet is so slow, that he could dodge it every time and I'd never get him.
He roosted across the river in a cottonwood and I could see him clearly without looking right at him. Had to fool him I thought. So, he got the urge and took flight and just when he did I swiveled and shot. Damn, he dropped dead right there and fell straight to the ground.
Dad could not believe I got him. But the next words were tougher to eat than the crow. "Okay, kid go get him and bring him back cause that's your dinner." I did as instructed with a quick dip and cold crappy swim.
Ate crow that night and in fact it's a lovely white meat and mild and tasty....so
The next time you have to eat crow, don't worry because it's pretty dang good.
And that's my two bits worth.
bob
Great story and great shot. A friend of mine offered this advice when it comes to eating crow “eat it while it’s warm, it gets harder to eat as it cools off”
The coin has been deemed counterfeit by a TPG. The opinions of some posters to this thread have been vindicated. The opinions of other posters have been vanquished.
Heck forget TPG, members here posted it was fake for freeeeeeee!
Posters here, many are knowledgeable as they may be, are NOT PCGS graders .
Better sending it in than not.
Education in important and this thread did just that.
1916-D dime are not that common better safe than sorrry
Pat Vetter,Mercury Dime registry set,1938 Proof set registry,Pat & BJ Coins:724-325-7211
I can’t speak to its authenticity. But in my personal opinion I don’t think the rim hit on the reverse will have any bearing on straight grading. It looks small in the blown up pictures. In hand I’d bet it’s hardly even noticeable.
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Does it change anyone's opinion one way or another? Have fun today and enjoy!**
Yes, the D looks correct for die 4 images others have posted. The upper bands also look genuine. Don't think the rim ding should hold it back. Good luck.
Sanction,'16-D dimes are right up there with 1909 SVDB cents as the most counterfeited issues of the US mint ever. And there are some good ones. So good as to fool many a knowledgeable collector and leave him or her scratching their head when they learn that their '16-D is in fact a well-done fake.
Better to be skeptical on '16-D dime than overly optimistic.But that's just me.
Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.
Mr1874.
I agree that for certain coins, including the 1916D dime, one should assume a coin is fake until it trades. This is financially prudent.
The concept of fake until it trades, if literally applied across the board, would take a lot of fun out of the hobby.
I believe that rev. die 4 should have a clockwise rotation of about "15 minutes," ie, 1/4 of the way from 12 to 1.
very astute question from mr1874.
Unfortunately from my angle based on the 4 die pics the coin is not any of them. How come know one is saying that, it is pretty obvious. Then when reading the story of how it was acquired and its incredible condition I would venture to continue that line of reasoning and say it is still a fake. I wish it weren't so because what a find it would be but pics don't lie when they are clear.
IMO of course
I agree that mm location isnt correct, Weinman's initials arent correct and the fields on obverse look strange. I hope that we are wrong, as this would be quite a find!
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it could be die 4 with strike/machine/mechanical doubling
If the coin is determined genuine by our host, it’s like saying all politicians are honest & there is no such thing as gradflation
I encourage the OP to post the results of PCGS's findings here. Part of the fun of this hobby is learning something new.
Years ago, I attended a show where a dealer of some renown was telling me about a 1916-D dime that he once purchased from a person unknown to him who offered the piece in a Capitol plastics holder. The dealer told me he was in kind of a rush tending to his buying customers so just paid the fellow cash for the dime without opening the holder. 1916 obverse and "D" reverse looked good to him.
Later, after the seller was long gone, the dealer opened the holder and found that he was the proud owner of not one but two Mercury dimes. Needless to say, neither dime was a 1916-D.
Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.
Based on new pic, looks like die 4 to me. Looks genuine, AU58, possibly MS61 if no rub
I hope it works out for the OP. I honestly thought it was legit from the original images, but looking at the 4 die varieties I'm not so certain.
Best of luck!!
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In hand , after taking another look, I thing it is genuine and AU+...coin is on the way to host and we will have answer shortly.
RJ
Let us know the results, please.
Anything yet?
Collector, occasional seller
I am at dinner thinking about ordering CROW
You might have company
Oh great I will order an extra servings
Don’t forget to tip your server or the “gypsies.”
If I were the owner I’d have a well known dealer walk it in & have it slabbed (or otherwise), & the results posted like pronto.
Instead I hear crickets chirping... ahhh shuddapp!!
Verno ✭✭✭
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I am reminded of the post not too long ago about an 09-s VDB where many swore it was fake. I think it graded 53 or something like that...
To be fair it has only been about a week.
Collector, occasional seller
Wow...tough crowd....sent fedex on 11/24 they processed 11/26 some confusion on coin submission as had 3 different submissions and a bunch of different tiers...anyhow got his coin back first even though the 16-D was submitted under express category...also came in raw by the way....
i
So back to the 16 D.....was on way home TODAY, and PCGS grade alert popped up and it came back counterfeit
....
I let the customer know....I let the crow eating member of this board who posted earlier know....and now I let the world know....
I emailed PCGS and asked them if I could get the details on the counterfeit for a learning experience...figured I spent the $65 for tuition, might as well learn something....
My point of view is always hope it real, but assume it is fake unless I can prove to myself that it is otherwise...it is only the 2nd coin I ever submitted that came back counterfeit....the other was a 1909 S Indian that I bought raw from another dealer, suspected it was not good( or too good to be true) all red and gorgeous...and had a iron clad money back guarantee in writing...that he did not fully honor
Thanks for the update.
Kollector King, what insight were you able to glean about me from the data you posted? What was the point of your post?
I’m not eating crow, are you?
Sometimes when one owns a few of the coins in question they sorta know what they’re talking about, especially when decent pics are provided to prove their point.
To show that you’ve been online recently & to infer that it’s waaay past due for an update on the 16-d. I knew it was not genuine w/10000% confidence.
Nah. No crow for me.
The coin has been deemed counterfeit by a TPG. The opinions of some posters to this thread have been vindicated. The opinions of other posters have been vanquished.
I love educational threads like this.
Heck forget TPG, members here posted it was fake for freeeeeeee!
Posted results within 1 hr of getting them...Anyone like the Virginia 1/2 cent?
& it not x’mas yet, soooooooooo
No
Santa
Claus
Excellent thread @Verno .
Beginning to end.
Thanks.
"If I say something in the woods and my wife isn't there to hear it.....am I still wrong?"
My Washington Quarter Registry set...in progress
Thank you for the kind words..appreciated
I agree... excellent thread! Very enlightening.
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An In depth analysis of a popular and rare coin like the 16-D is good for everyone. It reinforces beliefs for all by opening up discussion and providing valuable information to educate others.
Win Win. I enjoyed the whole thing Verno.
Not the result though.
Pete
Glad nobody ate crow....of if you did you enjoyed it.
Sorry to OP that it was not the real deal....happens.
Short story. On the Carson River at about age 10 with my first .22 rifle. Dad and I were just "hunting" anything like rabbits and crows. Yes, had a crow follow us along the river for about a mile. I must have taken 10 shots at him as he flew overhead. No luck. Dad said that the crows eyesight is so good, and the .22 bullet is so slow, that he could dodge it every time and I'd never get him.
He roosted across the river in a cottonwood and I could see him clearly without looking right at him. Had to fool him I thought. So, he got the urge and took flight and just when he did I swiveled and shot. Damn, he dropped dead right there and fell straight to the ground.
Dad could not believe I got him. But the next words were tougher to eat than the crow. "Okay, kid go get him and bring him back cause that's your dinner." I did as instructed with a quick dip and cold crappy swim.
Ate crow that night and in fact it's a lovely white meat and mild and tasty....so
The next time you have to eat crow, don't worry because it's pretty dang good.
And that's my two bits worth.
bob
Unfortunate. At least you didn't buy it first!
Collector, occasional seller
ditto
BHNC #203
AU 58 on the nice Halfpenny?
I knew it would happen.
Great story and great shot. A friend of mine offered this advice when it comes to eating crow “eat it while it’s warm, it gets harder to eat as it cools off”
All opinions, pro and con, are what make a post viable and thought provoking.Those qualities are evident here.
Posters here, many are knowledgeable as they may be, are NOT PCGS graders .
Better sending it in than not.
Education in important and this thread did just that.
1916-D dime are not that common better safe than sorrry
I believe that rev. die 4 should have a clockwise rotation of about "15 minutes," ie, 1/4 of the way from 12 to 1.
Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.
Really, an excellent counterfeit. Thanks to the OP for starting this thread AND publishing TPG determination.
Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.
I can’t speak to its authenticity. But in my personal opinion I don’t think the rim hit on the reverse will have any bearing on straight grading. It looks small in the blown up pictures. In hand I’d bet it’s hardly even noticeable.