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  • bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,353 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Does it change anyone's opinion one way or another? Have fun today and enjoy!**

    Yes, the D looks correct for die 4 images others have posted. The upper bands also look genuine. Don't think the rim ding should hold it back. Good luck.

  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sanction,'16-D dimes are right up there with 1909 SVDB cents as the most counterfeited issues of the US mint ever. And there are some good ones. So good as to fool many a knowledgeable collector and leave him or her scratching their head when they learn that their '16-D is in fact a well-done fake.

    Better to be skeptical on '16-D dime than overly optimistic.But that's just me.

    Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.

  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,630 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Mr1874.

    I agree that for certain coins, including the 1916D dime, one should assume a coin is fake until it trades. This is financially prudent.

    The concept of fake until it trades, if literally applied across the board, would take a lot of fun out of the hobby.

  • kazkaz Posts: 9,280 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I believe that rev. die 4 should have a clockwise rotation of about "15 minutes," ie, 1/4 of the way from 12 to 1.
    very astute question from mr1874.

  • bjaminbjamin Posts: 141 ✭✭✭

    @StrikeOutXXX said:
    The MM position is fairly close to Die #4

    Top row is Die # 1-2
    2nd row is Die # 3-4
    Bottom is OP coin

    Unfortunately from my angle based on the 4 die pics the coin is not any of them. How come know one is saying that, it is pretty obvious. Then when reading the story of how it was acquired and its incredible condition I would venture to continue that line of reasoning and say it is still a fake. I wish it weren't so because what a find it would be but pics don't lie when they are clear.
    IMO of course :(

  • Sandman70gtSandman70gt Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree that mm location isnt correct, Weinman's initials arent correct and the fields on obverse look strange. I hope that we are wrong, as this would be quite a find! B)

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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,691 ✭✭✭✭✭

    it could be die 4 with strike/machine/mechanical doubling

  • KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If the coin is determined genuine by our host, it’s like saying all politicians are honest & there is no such thing as gradflation :o

  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 22, 2018 6:52PM

    I encourage the OP to post the results of PCGS's findings here. Part of the fun of this hobby is learning something new.

    Years ago, I attended a show where a dealer of some renown was telling me about a 1916-D dime that he once purchased from a person unknown to him who offered the piece in a Capitol plastics holder. The dealer told me he was in kind of a rush tending to his buying customers so just paid the fellow cash for the dime without opening the holder. 1916 obverse and "D" reverse looked good to him.

    Later, after the seller was long gone, the dealer opened the holder and found that he was the proud owner of not one but two Mercury dimes. Needless to say, neither dime was a 1916-D.

    Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.

  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,113 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Based on new pic, looks like die 4 to me. Looks genuine, AU58, possibly MS61 if no rub

  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,598 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I hope it works out for the OP. I honestly thought it was legit from the original images, but looking at the 4 die varieties I'm not so certain.

    Best of luck!!

    Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;

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  • VernoVerno Posts: 327 ✭✭✭

    In hand , after taking another look, I thing it is genuine and AU+...coin is on the way to host and we will have answer shortly.
    RJ

  • HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Verno said:
    In hand , after taking another look, I thing it is genuine and AU+...coin is on the way to host and we will have answer shortly.
    RJ

    Let us know the results, please. :)

  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,769 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Anything yet?

    Collector, occasional seller

  • PTVETTERPTVETTER Posts: 6,028 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am at dinner thinking about ordering CROW

    Pat Vetter,Mercury Dime registry set,1938 Proof set registry,Pat & BJ Coins:724-325-7211


  • KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PTVETTER said:
    I am at dinner thinking about ordering CROW

    You might have company :)

  • PTVETTERPTVETTER Posts: 6,028 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Oh great I will order an extra servings

    Pat Vetter,Mercury Dime registry set,1938 Proof set registry,Pat & BJ Coins:724-325-7211


  • KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PTVETTER said:
    Oh great I will order an extra servings

    Don’t forget to tip your server or the “gypsies.” :o

  • KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If I were the owner I’d have a well known dealer walk it in & have it slabbed (or otherwise), & the results posted like pronto.

    Instead I hear crickets chirping... ahhh shuddapp!!

  • KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Verno ✭✭✭

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  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,769 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am reminded of the post not too long ago about an 09-s VDB where many swore it was fake. I think it graded 53 or something like that...

    To be fair it has only been about a week.

    Collector, occasional seller

  • VernoVerno Posts: 327 ✭✭✭

    Wow...tough crowd....sent fedex on 11/24 they processed 11/26 some confusion on coin submission as had 3 different submissions and a bunch of different tiers...anyhow got his coin back first even though the 16-D was submitted under express category...also came in raw by the way....
    i

  • KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Verno said:
    So back to the 16 D.....was on way home TODAY, and PCGS grade alert popped up and it came back counterfeit :'( ....
    I let the customer know....I let the crow eating member of this board who posted earlier know....and now I let the world know....

    I emailed PCGS and asked them if I could get the details on the counterfeit for a learning experience...figured I spent the $65 for tuition, might as well learn something....

    My point of view is always hope it real, but assume it is fake unless I can prove to myself that it is otherwise...it is only the 2nd coin I ever submitted that came back counterfeit....the other was a 1909 S Indian that I bought raw from another dealer, suspected it was not good( or too good to be true) all red and gorgeous...and had a iron clad money back guarantee in writing...that he did not fully honor

    Thanks for the update.

  • VernoVerno Posts: 327 ✭✭✭

    @KollectorKing said:
    Verno ✭✭✭

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    Kollector King, what insight were you able to glean about me from the data you posted? What was the point of your post?

  • KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SanctionII said:
    Forumites can be very quick in posting to a thread like this and giving their opinions.

    Reading threads like this provides insight into the persons who post replies.

    Good luck to you and the owner of the 1916D dime. Hopefully it will straight grade as an MS coin.

    I’m not eating crow, are you?

    Sometimes when one owns a few of the coins in question they sorta know what they’re talking about, especially when decent pics are provided to prove their point.

  • KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Verno said:

    @KollectorKing said:
    Verno ✭✭✭

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    Kollector King, what insight were you able to glean about me from the data you posted? What was the point of your post?

    To show that you’ve been online recently & to infer that it’s waaay past due for an update on the 16-d. I knew it was not genuine w/10000% confidence.

  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,630 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nah. No crow for me.

    The coin has been deemed counterfeit by a TPG. The opinions of some posters to this thread have been vindicated. The opinions of other posters have been vanquished.

  • hchcoinhchcoin Posts: 4,837 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I love educational threads like this.

  • KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SanctionII said:
    Nah. No crow for me.

    The coin has been deemed counterfeit by a TPG. The opinions of some posters to this thread have been vindicated. The opinions of other posters have been vanquished.

    Heck forget TPG, members here posted it was fake for freeeeeeee!

  • VernoVerno Posts: 327 ✭✭✭

    Posted results within 1 hr of getting them...Anyone like the Virginia 1/2 cent?

  • KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @hchcoin said:
    I love educational threads like this.

    & it not x’mas yet, soooooooooo

    No

    Santa

    Claus

  • sparky64sparky64 Posts: 7,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Excellent thread @Verno .
    Beginning to end.
    Thanks.

    "If I say something in the woods and my wife isn't there to hear it.....am I still wrong?"

    My Washington Quarter Registry set...in progress

  • VernoVerno Posts: 327 ✭✭✭

    @sparky64 said:
    Excellent thread @Verno .
    Beginning to end.
    Thanks.

    Thank you for the kind words..appreciated

  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,598 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree... excellent thread! Very enlightening.

    Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;

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  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,551 ✭✭✭✭✭

    An In depth analysis of a popular and rare coin like the 16-D is good for everyone. It reinforces beliefs for all by opening up discussion and providing valuable information to educate others.

    Win Win. I enjoyed the whole thing Verno.

    Not the result though.

    Pete

    "I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,769 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Unfortunate. At least you didn't buy it first!

    Collector, occasional seller

  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @hchcoin said:
    I love educational threads like this.

    ditto

    Frank

    BHNC #203

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,282 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU 58 on the nice Halfpenny?

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • No HeadlightsNo Headlights Posts: 2,105 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @AUandAG said:
    Glad nobody ate crow....of if you did you enjoyed it.
    Sorry to OP that it was not the real deal....happens.

    Short story. On the Carson River at about age 10 with my first .22 rifle. Dad and I were just "hunting" anything like rabbits and crows. Yes, had a crow follow us along the river for about a mile. I must have taken 10 shots at him as he flew overhead. No luck. Dad said that the crows eyesight is so good, and the .22 bullet is so slow, that he could dodge it every time and I'd never get him.
    He roosted across the river in a cottonwood and I could see him clearly without looking right at him. Had to fool him I thought. So, he got the urge and took flight and just when he did I swiveled and shot. Damn, he dropped dead right there and fell straight to the ground.
    Dad could not believe I got him. But the next words were tougher to eat than the crow. "Okay, kid go get him and bring him back cause that's your dinner." I did as instructed with a quick dip and cold crappy swim.
    Ate crow that night and in fact it's a lovely white meat and mild and tasty....so
    The next time you have to eat crow, don't worry because it's pretty dang good.
    And that's my two bits worth.
    bob :)

    Great story and great shot. A friend of mine offered this advice when it comes to eating crow “eat it while it’s warm, it gets harder to eat as it cools off”

  • gonzergonzer Posts: 3,053 ✭✭✭✭✭

    All opinions, pro and con, are what make a post viable and thought provoking.Those qualities are evident here.

  • PTVETTERPTVETTER Posts: 6,028 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @KollectorKing said:

    @SanctionII said:
    Nah. No crow for me.

    The coin has been deemed counterfeit by a TPG. The opinions of some posters to this thread have been vindicated. The opinions of other posters have been vanquished.

    Heck forget TPG, members here posted it was fake for freeeeeeee!

    Posters here, many are knowledgeable as they may be, are NOT PCGS graders .
    Better sending it in than not.
    Education in important and this thread did just that.
    1916-D dime are not that common better safe than sorrry

    Pat Vetter,Mercury Dime registry set,1938 Proof set registry,Pat & BJ Coins:724-325-7211


  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2018 12:12PM

    I believe that rev. die 4 should have a clockwise rotation of about "15 minutes," ie, 1/4 of the way from 12 to 1.

    ;) Not sure about 15 minutes but 0 minutes clockwise definitely causes this junior authenticator to pause.

    Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.

  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Really, an excellent counterfeit. Thanks to the OP for starting this thread AND publishing TPG determination.

    Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.

  • FranklinHalfAddictFranklinHalfAddict Posts: 688 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I can’t speak to its authenticity. But in my personal opinion I don’t think the rim hit on the reverse will have any bearing on straight grading. It looks small in the blown up pictures. In hand I’d bet it’s hardly even noticeable.

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