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FadeToBlackFadeToBlack Posts: 7,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited November 28, 2018 1:24PM in U.S. Coin Forum

eBay seller just relisted a coin before even receiving my return... And is using their poor images again rather than the nice ones I provided them.



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  • AkbeezAkbeez Posts: 2,697 ✭✭✭✭✭

    She's a beauty -- why the return?

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  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,547 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow! Let's not rush things. Maybe seller is in a hurry for some Christmas Cash?

    Pete

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  • Batman23Batman23 Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Akbeez said:
    She's a beauty -- why the return?

    That was my first thought.

  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would think Larry returned it because of what appears to be counting machine damage and the dark toning. That is only my guess though!

  • jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,235 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Props to them for not stealing your pictures. It would sure bring more for them if they did. Why the return??

  • 3keepSECRETif2rDEAD3keepSECRETif2rDEAD Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ...would you have bought it if the seller (somehow) used your pictures in the original listing?...if not then that’s why he isn’t using them...he already caught a fish with that same lure...you got away at the net...the pole gets cast yet again, same rig ;)

  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Neat toning ......looks like the moon eclipsing. Did you find a better one for same price or less? :)

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FadeToBlack said:

    @Insider2 said:

    @Akbeez said:
    She's a beauty -- why the return?

    I agree. I feel sorry for the honest sellers on Ebay. Seems buyers can return anything. > @Wabbit2313 said:

    I would think Larry returned it because of what appears to be counting machine damage and the dark toning. That is only my guess though!

    Don't see a wheel mark and if someone cannot tell the coin has very dark terminal toning from the blurred image... well, I feel sorry for honest Ebay sellers.

    PS I like Fadetobalcks image. Coin should sell faster and the new guy will probably keep it.

    Why the return? Educate us please as some of us are missing what you saw.

    I already explained why. At $720, I can do a lot better for my money. See the $520 coin above. It's a nice coin, just not THAT nice. Not to me, at least. If the seller didn't want to take returns, they should have said "No Returns" and I wouldn't have bid more than $400 or so. If you want the elevated prices of a returns accepted auction, you have to take the elevated risk of a return.

    Thanks, I get it. That's why I feel sorry for honest Ebay sellers. Anyone can buy anything for fun (YOU DID BUY IT) outbidding others and then return it for any reason. I thought there might be something wrong with the COIN or the SELLER. I'm really glad you got your money back. o:)

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FadeToBlack said:

    @Akbeez said:
    She's a beauty -- why the return?

    @Wabbit2313 said:
    I would think Larry returned it because of what appears to be counting machine damage and the dark toning. That is only my guess though!

    At the end of the day, based on the poor pictures and some others that were provided to me later, it looked more green than it was. I nuked the auction and so did somebody else, thus leading to an unrealistic price.

    While the coin is very, very nice, it's not $720 nice, and with 30 day returns, I promptly sent it back after getting it in hand and imaging.

    @jwitten said:
    Props to them for not stealing your pictures. It would sure bring more for them if they did. Why the return??

    I told them to use my pics and gave my honest opinion on what they'd get for it upon relisting it. It was less than what they got at auction the first time around. Relisted for $700 with those pics.

    Good Going. Ebay needs watchdogs that nuke actions and screw those crooked, ignorant sellers. Thanks for posting your accomplishments. Perhaps you should offer to help our host price coins too! :)

  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hey everyone ....... he just sharing the episode with all of us and not for us to judge his decision :#

    The initial point of discussion is seller listed prematurely before receiving the return so let it be ...... we discussed everything else with less substance around here :s

    I would return it too if I am not happy and this is not a cheap coin.
    Return is allowed on the listing isn't it?

  • in2Coinsin2Coins Posts: 365 ✭✭✭✭✭

    FadeToBlack’s photos are way so much better! I do see some damaged on the eagles’s lower breast. Sorry for the question, still learning but what’s going on with the date’s first 8?

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    For the 1st time I have to disagree with you here! The original sellers pictures showed what I consider a dog turd! He got a nice coin and returned it.

    If you ever sell on ebay you will understand some of our frustration!!

    @Paradisefound said:
    Hey everyone ....... he just sharing the episode with all of us and not for us to judge his decision :#

    The initial point of discussion is seller listed prematurely before receiving the return so let it be ...... we discussed everything else with less substance around here :s

    I would return it too if I am not happy and this is not a cheap coin.
    Return is allowed on the listing isn't it?

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 27, 2018 5:58PM

    @Paradisefound said:
    Hey everyone ....... he just sharing the episode with all of us and not for us to judge his decision :#

    The initial point of discussion is seller listed prematurely before receiving the return so let it be ...... we discussed everything else with less substance around here :s

    I would return it too if I am not happy and this is not a cheap coin.
    Return is allowed on the listing isn't it?

    This is a very interesting thread. Fade did nothing wrong in his eyes; and that is all that counts! He explained what he did and why he did it very well. RETURNS ARE ALLOWED. So is bidding up an item for the fun of it or with no intention to buy it keeping others from buying it. I've heard stories of all the crap coin dealers must put up with.

    We should all be very thankful <3 for the "Nanny State" we live in that protects us from most things from "Cradle to Grave." o:):wink::wink:

  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,576 ✭✭✭✭✭

    FWIW... I'm not a huge fan of this sort of toning, but even a lesser fan of the gouge right in front of a major focal point (Ms. Liberty is looking straight at it)... That said, and with the crappy initial images to work from, I'd have either not bid on it, or exercise the return policy.

    As a seller on ebay, I used to offer a 14 day return but stipulated the buyer had to pay return postage. This would include insurance if the coin sold for more than $100. I also would typically image 4-5 high resolution pics to go along with the auction. In all the coin auctions I ran (only 125 or so) I never had a buyer return a coin...

    That said... I'm frantically looking for some wood to knock on!!!

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @in2Coins said:
    FadeToBlack’s photos are way so much better! I do see some damaged on the eagles’s lower breast. Sorry for the question, still learning but what’s going on with the date’s first 8?

    There are some hits on the "8" and "4." I sold a toned GSA 84-CC from my grading set for $600 and the student who begged me for it told me I sold it too cheaply when I accepted his offer. I was not up to the market prices. I had bought the coin for $120 many years before. These coins must make their own price levels.

  • in2Coinsin2Coins Posts: 365 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 27, 2018 6:17PM

    I was talking about some kind of 8/8. Or?

  • HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @in2Coins

    Boom! What a pic! Nice blow-up!

  • au58au58 Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭

    @FadeToBlack said:

    @Insider2 said:

    @FadeToBlack said:

    @Insider2 said:

    @Akbeez said:
    She's a beauty -- why the return?

    I agree. I feel sorry for the honest sellers on Ebay. Seems buyers can return anything. > @Wabbit2313 said:

    I would think Larry returned it because of what appears to be counting machine damage and the dark toning. That is only my guess though!

    Don't see a wheel mark and if someone cannot tell the coin has very dark terminal toning from the blurred image... well, I feel sorry for honest Ebay sellers.

    PS I like Fadetobalcks image. Coin should sell faster and the new guy will probably keep it.

    Why the return? Educate us please as some of us are missing what you saw.

    I already explained why. At $720, I can do a lot better for my money. See the $520 coin above. It's a nice coin, just not THAT nice. Not to me, at least. If the seller didn't want to take returns, they should have said "No Returns" and I wouldn't have bid more than $400 or so. If you want the elevated prices of a returns accepted auction, you have to take the elevated risk of a return.

    Thanks, I get it. That's why I feel sorry for honest Ebay sellers. Anyone can buy anything for fun (YOU DID BUY IT) outbidding others and then return it for any reason. I thought there might be something wrong with the COIN or the SELLER. I'm really glad you got your money back. o:)

    Part of my gripe is I haven't gotten my money back yet, the coin was just processed through my local distribution center today and won't be back to its home in Utah for another 2-3 days... Also the seller completely ignored my message apologizing and offering the images as an olive branch of sorts.

    First, you tell us that rationalizing the return is black and white - the seller listed an auction while accepting returns, you won, and decided to return it.

    Then, you tell us the rest of the story.

    If everything was black and white, why did you feel the need to apologize? That you inconvenienced an honest seller or that wishful thinking on your part did not pan out? And why the need to offer an olive branch?

    And if everything is so black and white, what do you have to gripe about?

  • LeroyLeroy Posts: 186 ✭✭✭

    I already explained why. At $720, I can do a lot better for my money. See the $520 coin above. It's a nice coin, just not THAT nice. Not to me, at least. If the seller didn't want to take returns, they should have said "No Returns" and I wouldn't have bid more than $400 or so. If you want the elevated prices of a returns accepted auction, you have to take the elevated risk of a return.

    It doesn't matter whether the seller accepts returns or not, according to Ebay policy the seller will take the return if the "item is not as described" whether they like it or not. Just for the record, I don't agree with that policy because too many people abuse it.

  • LeroyLeroy Posts: 186 ✭✭✭
    edited November 27, 2018 6:47PM

    Sounds like one of my Ebay buyers...

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  • DNADaveDNADave Posts: 7,307 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I've never been to an auction where two blurry, low-resolution images were used to sell an item, and no returns were accepted.

    Then ebay is the buy-on-approval-site you need.

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  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am in shock it sold for $720. Color is too dark for me! Even in his terrible images.

  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Time to list some dark GSA's!

  • logger7logger7 Posts: 9,057 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I've been getting disappointed with some of the seller's coins on ebay that in hand don't look very close to how they sell them there. Not sure what their methods are but you can do a lot with technology these days.

  • PhilLynottPhilLynott Posts: 898 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The offering pictures would probably be taken as more of an insult than an olive branch in my opinion. I know you meant well and thought it as a nice gesture but put yourself in his shoes, he was already most definitely annoyed with you and critiquing the pictures is just an extra slap in the face even if it was constructive criticism it's not what he wanted to hear at that exact point in time I don't think.

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  • KccoinKccoin Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭✭

    $700 seems like a lot to risk on crappy pictures.

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  • blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,945 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I bid on that one but based on both sets of images not a $720 coin. I stopped bidding afraid it would have no pop to the coin, and that looks to be the case. A little to dark and just not enough luster to make it real cool.

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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,671 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FadeToBlack said:

    @Kccoin said:
    $700 seems like a lot to risk on crappy pictures.

    That's the thing, with 30 day returns, there is no risk outside of the shipping cost. So I was really risking $10 on bad pictures.

    Yes, for some buyers eBay auctions have become an approval service so nuclear bids don't matter as you can get your money back.

    https://ebay.com/bfl/viewbids/132854096172?item=132854096172&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2565

  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Life is not fair sometime depending which side you are on ......... but within the legal parameter it's a fair game for all :/

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