Question on Restoration Service
DMWJR
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Let’s say you send in a 1931 Lincoln PCGS MS66RD and a 1900 Barber Half in 65CA, for a potential spot removal and do not check the box asking them to regrade it. Can they decided they can’t do anything to help and then downgrade the designation from RD to RB or remove the CA?
Doug
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PCGS always does a regrade after conservation (and adheres to their guarantee policy). So there is a financial payout for any unlikely grade drop.
If PCGS opts not to conserve a coin it is returned in its original holder. They do not crack it.
Lance.
The form has a box asking if you want them to regrade it after conservation or not.
Well, that seems silly. They must crack it out to conserve it. Then it will either:
In the case of either #2 or #3, if the coin is NOT REGRADED, it will look like the TPGS made an error and does not know how to grade! See, very silly.
Agree?
Do you mean the "Grade my non-restorable coins" box?
If so, that is for raw coins submitted.
Lance.
Yes, the non-restorable coin box. So that’s just for non-pcgs coins?
I agree Insider2.
Do they even have anyone doing that now with HRH gone?
The coin is always regraded after restoration.
Lance.
@lkeigwin said: "The coin is always regraded after restoration."
Thank goodness! I'll bet very few are downgraded.
Is the change in designation a downgrade?
What is a "designation?" "Steps?" "PL?" "A plus?"
cameo, red, etc. In this example those are the two I chose.
I've never had a copper coin's color go down. Conservation always brought out the color or turned the coin blue. Then if I wanted it to stay blue, I'm done.
Additionally, A cameo is a cameo. Unfortunately, there are those (who should know better) who claim that a darkly toned Deep Cameo Ike dollar is no longer given the Deep Cameo designation because the usual frost to mirror contrast is not as apparent due to the toning.
What NONSENSE!
Talk about the blind running the grading standards and making the simple more complex! Now, I'm reminded of the genius that developed the "Net," - NON-COIN GRADING SYSTEM that has NO relationship to a coin's actual CONDITION OF PRESERVATION!
One day soon I'll be dead (I just needed to take an aspirin for a chest pain while writing this
) and folks will no longer be subjected to my rants about the STUPIDITY with much of modern, commercial coin grading that has made a very simple task of grading a coin technically (that anyone can do) into a very complicated and many-faceted commercial puzzle that I will never be able to do until I memorize all the different dates and values for each individual coin. Typical Example: 1884-S dollars in grades approaching MS are graded differently from other dates in the EXACT SAME condition of preservation!
With regard to copper color...that is an excellent question. I'd pose that to PCGS Customer Support.
PCGS did away with their copper color guarantee in 2010*. So the issues is a little fuzzy. My guess is that a drop in color would invoke the grade guarantee for restored coins. But I'd sure like to hear it from the horse's mouth.
(*FWIW, the color guarantee still applies to coins graded before 2010 that haven't been sold or regraded. Little known/remembered fact.)
Lance.
I remember, and question their legal ability to make the representation and not guarantee it, and whether or not they can arbitrarily change it on a coin that comes in their possession for other reasons.
There is a video of a guy on Youtube that send a couple of Walkers in for straight cross over. The coins were graded NGC 66CAM. Both crossed and he was excited until he saw that they crossed at 66, but with no CAM designation. That's one of the reasons I was asking. Do they not consider cameo a part of the grade, or was it just a mistake?
Cameo is one of the add-on designations. It shows best in fluorescent light. CAM is a subjective thing as far as Franklins are concerned because the obverse design is uneven in the coat area causing changes in the degree of frost. I prefer a coin with full even frost before I'll give the CAM. Perhaps that is why I'm the senior authenticator and not the senior grader - LOL. I like it that way.