So interesting to me that with all the good and reliable sellers here on the BST that someone would take a chance with someone new and untested like this?!
According to the thread on the USCF, by the ripped off Jasongaming, jclovescoins is traveling and won't see what actually arrived until this weekend. As such, he won't be able to update here until that happens.
@1peter1223 said:
jclovescoins , did you get FEDEX package ? What was in it ?
I believe the federal authorities are currently in the process of removing anything of value from the package and replacing that with a misspelled notice of seizure. jclovescoins will likely get that in a few days.
@mvs7 said:
I believe the federal authorities are currently in the process of removing anything of value from the package and replacing that with a misspelled notice of seizure. jclovescoins will likely get that in a few days.
No harm no foul to the rest of us who are not as gullible as the two, except a bit of entertainment.
The whole attitude with "tuition" and "chalk it up to experience" really bugs me. That type of attitude is what allows people to keep scamming over and over again and again.
The only "tuition" bit should be when someone makes their own mistakes but there is no attempt to defraud by the other party. Same with the experience bit.
Any time there is an attempt to defraud, yes, there is some learning to be done.....different levels of learning, to be sure....but the bottom line is that a person PURPOSEFULLY ripped off someone else who trusted them (at any type of level).
The entire negative focus should be on the thief or just shouldn't be yapped about. It's always funny when it happens to someone else, but at least some of these people are open enough to admit it and let others know, whereas some folks would keep their mouths shut and let others be scammed over and over.
@1peter1223 said:
Sometimes the fear of losing out on , or impulse to be first one to jump on a sweet deal , clouds our judgment and we make silly mistakes .
That's just a euphemism for greed.
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I received a package with the same letter sealed in a dirty dollar-store-like envelope inside the Fedex package. It is obvious Loris committed this fraud with full intent.
I am disappointed to see so many forum members disparaging the members that bought from Loris. I cannot speak for the other member that was deceived, but I will tell you that when I had sent payment to him it was NOT as obvious as people are saying. When I sent him $100 plus $8 shipping, it was with the intention to pay him 10% below melt value upon receipt if it turned out that the coins were authentic. He did not believe the $5 gold piece was authentic, but the $2.50 Indian looked authentic to me. I was simply looking to help the guy out. He spoke well via email to me. I sent him $108 via Venmo and paid by credit card so I would at least have credit card protection.
Fast forward 2 hours and he had posted several crazy lots on the forum with numerous stolen pictures, gained additional knowledge of gold coins, and failed to ship the coins and provide a tracking number during the requested time window. His spelling, grammar and diction also went from being professional to uneducated. It was obvious AT THAT POINT that I would not be receiving the coins and that Loris was engaging in fraud. However, you have to wait until you open the package to be 100% sure. He also mailed our packages via Fedex so a claim with USPS would not work. I explained to him that USPS would be cheaper, and he said he would mail USPS but did not. I assume this is to avoid mail fraud charges and claims with the postal inspector.
For me personally, $108 is not worth the time and energy to pursue him legally, but I am confident I will recover the funds via the credit card company. I am also confident that if I decided to pursue him legally, I would be successful.
Well Jclovescoins , consider yourself lucky, $108 is a small price to pay. IF you had been a few minutes later, it would have been me . I am truly sorry . Most people don't really know the depth of betrayal and loss one feels when you get scammed. SCUM who callously lead honest people on only to steal from them are the lowliest of humankind. You do have emails and at least an originating location from which this snake urine operates from, you can share it publicly here in hopes that the rest of us will have better fortune. At least it will require the scammer to do additional work before they perpetuate their next scam. Plus you have a Venmo address. Really interesting to note the preparation he has gone thru and the letter portraying a government agency shows insightfulness into the depths of his scam. This is definitely not the first time and you are not his first victim.
I agree with a previous poster. Let's not let this scumbag off easy. Post everything you know about him and let's do some research and see if we can ferret out his identity. We can backtrack his IP Address and his email and his Venmo I'D.
Bob Sr CEO Fieldtechs
Why kill the thread when there is still some helpfulness from people/the info in the thread.
No one will come to the thread and try to contact the OP in order to actually make a purchase, so the chance of a scam from this thread is practically nil.
The chance this thread PREVENTS someone else from getting scammed in the same way? Much higher.
@Bankerbob56 said:
Why isn’t this thread BAMMED and the user banished?!?!?! Why take a chance on someone else being scammed!!!???
Why kill the thread when there is still some helpfulness from people/the info in the thread.
No one will come to the thread and try to contact the OP in order to actually make a purchase, so the chance of a scam from this thread is practically nil.
The chance this thread PREVENTS someone else from getting scammed in the same way? Much higher.
@Bankerbob56 said:
Why isn’t this thread BAMMED and the user banished?!?!?! Why take a chance on someone else being scammed!!!???
Agree with your point Bochiman..... However, if someone only reads the list of things the OP is selling and goes no further there is a slight chance we could have a new "victim". That was my only thought..... you need to get past the pics and read down to the 6th post to see a word of caution. But I do see the benefit of leaving the thread alive, just hope everyone READS everything posted first!!! lol.....
What we've got here is failure to communicate.....
Comments
Purchased, waiting for tracking
JC's on a roll.
@rte592 he grabbed everything as I posted it. And so far only him and one other person offered for a return pending profit gains. Stand up guy.
Use caution. Poster has listed some fake coins. Hustle may be in progress.
Good luck !!!
“looking to unload this stuff”
Is the op a mover or a questionable owner trying to “unload” the “stuff”
Cr@@ks “unload stuff.”
a mover, truck driver would unload stuff & finallly a bf or gf would unload their better half.
Me: I buy or sell coins, bullion pm bars etc
I must be paranoia
Based on the diverse mix, the source of this “stuff” may be from multiple “collectors.”
@KollectorKing I believe these images came from here:https://caseantiques.com/item/lot-685-lot-of-us-silver-coins-commemorative-half-dollars/
Perhaps the op purchased them in the auction?
Lol. Very unlikely. Care to respond @Loris88 ?
Quite the detectives boys!!
So interesting to me that with all the good and reliable sellers here on the BST that someone would take a chance with someone new and untested like this?!
Wow, nice find! That's impressive.
I'm really enjoying this episode of CSI: PCGS.
I agree with your comments. And nice quarter eagle!!
The bigger the scam the louder the proclamation of innocence.
nice work mike! the gig is up Loris88 -loser!
Bump @jclovescoins you got that tracking #?
PROVEN SCAM ... SEE OTHER BOARD.
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piece of crap scammer!!!
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This is the official “unload” your true feelings thread.
According to the thread on the USCF, by the ripped off Jasongaming, jclovescoins is traveling and won't see what actually arrived until this weekend. As such, he won't be able to update here until that happens.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
I believe the federal authorities are currently in the process of removing anything of value from the package and replacing that with a misspelled notice of seizure. jclovescoins will likely get that in a few days.
No harm no foul to the rest of us who are not as gullible as the two, except a bit of entertainment.
Carry on.
The whole attitude with "tuition" and "chalk it up to experience" really bugs me. That type of attitude is what allows people to keep scamming over and over again and again.
The only "tuition" bit should be when someone makes their own mistakes but there is no attempt to defraud by the other party. Same with the experience bit.
Any time there is an attempt to defraud, yes, there is some learning to be done.....different levels of learning, to be sure....but the bottom line is that a person PURPOSEFULLY ripped off someone else who trusted them (at any type of level).
The entire negative focus should be on the thief or just shouldn't be yapped about. It's always funny when it happens to someone else, but at least some of these people are open enough to admit it and let others know, whereas some folks would keep their mouths shut and let others be scammed over and over.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
That's just a euphemism for greed.
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
I received a package with the same letter sealed in a dirty dollar-store-like envelope inside the Fedex package. It is obvious Loris committed this fraud with full intent.
I am disappointed to see so many forum members disparaging the members that bought from Loris. I cannot speak for the other member that was deceived, but I will tell you that when I had sent payment to him it was NOT as obvious as people are saying. When I sent him $100 plus $8 shipping, it was with the intention to pay him 10% below melt value upon receipt if it turned out that the coins were authentic. He did not believe the $5 gold piece was authentic, but the $2.50 Indian looked authentic to me. I was simply looking to help the guy out. He spoke well via email to me. I sent him $108 via Venmo and paid by credit card so I would at least have credit card protection.
Fast forward 2 hours and he had posted several crazy lots on the forum with numerous stolen pictures, gained additional knowledge of gold coins, and failed to ship the coins and provide a tracking number during the requested time window. His spelling, grammar and diction also went from being professional to uneducated. It was obvious AT THAT POINT that I would not be receiving the coins and that Loris was engaging in fraud. However, you have to wait until you open the package to be 100% sure. He also mailed our packages via Fedex so a claim with USPS would not work. I explained to him that USPS would be cheaper, and he said he would mail USPS but did not. I assume this is to avoid mail fraud charges and claims with the postal inspector.
For me personally, $108 is not worth the time and energy to pursue him legally, but I am confident I will recover the funds via the credit card company. I am also confident that if I decided to pursue him legally, I would be successful.
Thank you for sharing your unfortunate experience with us !!!
An unfortunate, but predictable outcome.
Well Jclovescoins , consider yourself lucky, $108 is a small price to pay. IF you had been a few minutes later, it would have been me . I am truly sorry . Most people don't really know the depth of betrayal and loss one feels when you get scammed. SCUM who callously lead honest people on only to steal from them are the lowliest of humankind. You do have emails and at least an originating location from which this snake urine operates from, you can share it publicly here in hopes that the rest of us will have better fortune. At least it will require the scammer to do additional work before they perpetuate their next scam. Plus you have a Venmo address. Really interesting to note the preparation he has gone thru and the letter portraying a government agency shows insightfulness into the depths of his scam. This is definitely not the first time and you are not his first victim.
I agree with a previous poster. Let's not let this scumbag off easy. Post everything you know about him and let's do some research and see if we can ferret out his identity. We can backtrack his IP Address and his email and his Venmo I'D.
Bob Sr CEO Fieldtechs
Why isn’t this thread BAMMED and the user banished?!?!?! Why take a chance on someone else being scammed!!!???
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The user has already been banned.
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Jclovescoin really sorry you got taken. Glad you paid with Credit Card let us know how it turns out with the CC refund.
User is already banned.
Why kill the thread when there is still some helpfulness from people/the info in the thread.
No one will come to the thread and try to contact the OP in order to actually make a purchase, so the chance of a scam from this thread is practically nil.
The chance this thread PREVENTS someone else from getting scammed in the same way? Much higher.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
Agree with your point Bochiman..... However, if someone only reads the list of things the OP is selling and goes no further there is a slight chance we could have a new "victim". That was my only thought..... you need to get past the pics and read down to the 6th post to see a word of caution. But I do see the benefit of leaving the thread alive, just hope everyone READS everything posted first!!! lol.....
Successful BST xactions w/PCcoins, Drunner, Manofcoins, Rampage, docg, Poppee, RobKool, and MichealDixon.