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aus3000tinaus3000tin Posts: 369 ✭✭✭
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Does anyone know the number of coins certified in the old PCGS Rattlers?
Is there a comprehensive breakdown by date & denomination?

I have a 1937 Proof Lincoln Cent in an old PCGS Rattler.
I was wondering if there were any others? I would like to make a 1936-1942 Proof Lincoln Cent Collection in old PCGS Rattlers.

Thanks,

Chris

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  • Billet7Billet7 Posts: 4,923 ✭✭✭
    No one knows. I have heard some figures of survival rates, but that's just an educated guess. In the end, no one knows.
  • blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,933 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I know of a 1936-1942 proof set in all OGH holders, very high grade. That was a hard set. A rattler set would also be very tough.
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  • MillertimeMillertime Posts: 2,048 ✭✭
    Find the early PCGS pop reports to get a rough idea of certified coins. It's not an exact science because the dates of the reports and when they reportedly quit using the rattlers doesn't match up. One of the members here made me a copy of the the first couple of PCGS reports for the Mercury dimes.

    I haven't heard any survival rates but I'd be interested in hearing some educated guesses.

    Millertime
    Mercury Dime Set (rattlers)
    Complete Dime Set

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  • darktonedarktone Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭
    I still don't understand the thing about collecting holders?? I mean the coin is the important thing ain't it?? to me it is anyway's. image
  • SDavisCoinsSDavisCoins Posts: 25 ✭
    Perhaps one of the appealing reasons they are sought after is that its nice knowing that your coin has been left alone and untouched for over 20 years.
  • joebb21joebb21 Posts: 4,758 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have an entire set of proof franklin rattlers.
    I believe it is the only set in existince today. If its not then 99.999% mine is the highest grades.

    when looking for the pops on these rattlers, a fellow board member pm'd me the pop reports from july 1989.

    thats the closest to december 1989 I was able to find
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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I still don't understand the thing about collecting holders?? I mean the coin is the important thing ain't it?? to me it is anyway's. image >>



    You're absolutely right but some folks like to collect the slabs just like some folks like to collect the labels (i.e. First Strike™)

    I'd certainly like an IKE in a Doily Slab in case anybody has one laying around! image
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  • CocoinutCocoinut Posts: 2,515 ✭✭✭✭✭
    According to the September 1, 1989 Population Report, the scarcest of the 1936-1942 proof Lincolns in PR63RD or better was the 1936 satin with a combined pop of just 31. The 1936 brilliant proofs had a combined 63-65RD pop of 143. There were NO proof 66 1936's. The 1937 had proof 63-66RD pop of 318. The total PR66RD's for the years 1936-1942 combined was a whopping 30 coins, and there was just ONE graded PR67RD, a 1938.

    If you count the 1936 satin and brilliant proofs as distinct and separate coins needed for a complete set, the 1936 satin finish is far and away the toughest to find, especially when you consider how many have been cracked out of their rattler holders. Good luck in locating one!

    Jim
    Countdown to completion of my Mercury Set: 1 coin. My growing Lincoln Set: Finally completed!
  • sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500 ✭
    I have a 42, graded 63 but kinda ugly
  • JZraritiesJZrarities Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭
    Yes, the coin is the important thing.
    However, check out the No Line Fatty thread
    and just look at the quality of the coins in those old holders.
    They definitely graded more conservative 'back in the day'

    I really enjoy nice original coins. And when I find a piece in a Rattler, OGH, or no-line fatty,
    it usually has the nicest surfaces and great eye-appeal. Usually undergraded too (by todays standards)

    To those who think the Old Holder upgrade is a just a Myth,
    good luck to you...image

    I would estimate the surviving population under 5%
    (and many in board members hands)
  • Halfhunter06Halfhunter06 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭
    collecting the older holders really is important. Let me just give an example. A 1938D Buffalo in a 66 rattler holder would be the best buy for a person seeking one as a type. There werent any 67's in those holders and most importantly it sticks out to potential buyers. If you broke it open and sent it in again to make it a 67 sure you have an upgrade, but now its just a common coin that blends in with your inventory not getting any notice whatsoever.
  • Billet7Billet7 Posts: 4,923 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Yes, the coin is the important thing.
    However, check out the No Line Fatty thread
    and just look at the quality of the coins in those old holders.
    They definitely graded more conservative 'back in the day'

    I really enjoy nice original coins. And when I find a piece in a Rattler, OGH, or no-line fatty,
    it usually has the nicest surfaces and great eye-appeal. Usually undergraded too (by todays standards)

    To those who think the Old Holder upgrade is a just a Myth,
    good luck to you...image

    I would estimate the surviving population under 5%
    (and many in board members hands) >>



    Those yours JZ???
  • JZraritiesJZrarities Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Those yours JZ??? >>



    Humbly,

    yes sir.
  • aus3000tinaus3000tin Posts: 369 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I have an entire set of proof franklin rattlers.
    I believe it is the only set in existince today. If its not then 99.999% mine is the highest grades.

    when looking for the pops on these rattlers, a fellow board member pm'd me the pop reports from july 1989.

    thats the closest to december 1989 I was able to find >>



    I see that someone recently sold a complete Franklin Proof Set on ebay.
    Was this you?

    As to everyone, thank you for the information.

    Thanks,

    Chris
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,176 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I still don't understand the thing about collecting holders?? I mean the coin is the important thing ain't it?? to me it is anyway's. image >>



    There is a difference between buying/collecting the holders and relying on the info on the insert. I believe there is more peace of mind about buying a coin in a rattler than there would be about the exact same coin that you just got back from PCGS in yesterday's mail.
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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,176 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There seems to be plenty of them still around so it's hardly like they are extremely rare.
    theknowitalltroll;
  • BaseballAbsBaseballAbs Posts: 2,621 ✭
    It would be cool to find out how many are out there left. I am sure i would be next to impossible to get even a close estimate.
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,519 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Does anyone know the number of coins certified in the old PCGS Rattlers?
    Is there a comprehensive breakdown by date & denomination? >>



    It doesn't matter since most rattler slabs have been destroyed. The only thing that matters is the surviving population.

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  • darktonedarktone Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭
    Everyone seems pretty quick to forget they used to holder some real junk too. Remember this was the era where they graded more on the techincal side and not as much on the eye appeal that and luster side.
  • lusterloverlusterlover Posts: 1,266 ✭✭✭✭
    This was in a PR63RD rattler holder. I had it for 20 yrs in my SDB. I pulled it out 9 months ago and sent it in. It upgraded to a 64. Did I make a mistake?

    BTW, I have 3 other rattler Lincolns if you're counting; a 1952 PR65RD, a 1938-D MS66RD and an '09-S-VDB MS65RD.

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    pcgs.com/SetRegistry/half-cents/lincoln-cents-specialty-sets/lincoln-cents-basic-set-colorless-matte-proof-1909-1916/publishedset/102180
    https://pcgs.com/setregistry/showcase/2819
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,176 ✭✭✭✭✭
    FWIW, I don't own any.
    theknowitalltroll;
  • darktonedarktone Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭
    I have one. I'll get some pictures of it.
  • NotSureNotSure Posts: 2,978 ✭✭✭
    3 or 4 here, but nickel/dime stuff compared to JZ's.
    I'll come up with something.
  • KindaNewishKindaNewish Posts: 827 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 12, 2018 11:52AM

    old thread warning

    @aus3000tin said:

    I was wondering if there were any others? I would like to make a 1936-1942 Proof Lincoln Cent Collection in old PCGS Rattlers.


    It's a difficult, but doable set.

  • ilikemonstersilikemonsters Posts: 767 ✭✭✭✭

    @KindaNewish said:

    show previous quotes


    It's a difficult, but doable set.

    How many years did it take you to complete the set? I have heard that this is an extremely difficult set to complete.

  • SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,040 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SDavisCoins said:
    Perhaps one of the appealing reasons they are sought after is that its nice knowing that your coin has been left alone and untouched for over 20 years.

    Especially attractive coins in the rattlers. There are a lot of ugly coins in rattlers, too.....

  • KindaNewishKindaNewish Posts: 827 ✭✭✭✭✭

    About 3 years. The '39 is the tough one, it just came in today's mail.
    I saw it on ebay and put in a super nuclear bid. Thankfully, I was the only bidder and got it for the opening price.

  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 7,434 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Old thread alert.

    @KindaNewish - it is a courtesy for us readers if you would (in the future) mark your post when you resurrect an old thread to indicate that you are doing so at the beginning of your message. Most people will not immediately realize that the thread is old, but at least when they see your update, the info is conveyed. Thank you and glad to read your message.

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  • KkathylKkathyl Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Good luck. I only look at coin but do like the old holders. I thought your question was going to be about the guarantee expiration.

    Best place to buy !
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  • richardshipprichardshipp Posts: 5,647 ✭✭✭

    I just received a couple of very common coins in Rattlers this week that will be stocking stuffers come Christmas. I liked the idea of a common coin in an uncommon holder I guess :)

  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,008 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @richardshipp said:
    I just received a couple of very common coins in Rattlers this week that will be stocking stuffers come Christmas. I liked the idea of a common coin in an uncommon holder I guess :)

    Great idea for a stocking stuffer.
    Thanks for the great idea. You can always find a 38-d in an old pcgs rattler, cheap. It also seems like nobody wants them either :D
    Happy hunting, Joe

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