Newest CC fakes coming out of China (won't fool you)
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But, could sure fool the average unfamiliar Joe......
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Thank you so much for pointing it out because I probably be the 1st one to get fooled
Great post and diagnostic markers. Thank you
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Own one today: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1879-CC-U-One-Silver-Dollar-Novelty-Coin-Weight-26-7GR-Diameter-1-5-inch/263977510815?hash=item3d7649279f:g:Y78AAOSwfhxbmeeo
This fake is too good to get pulled had the seller not called it a ‘novelty coin.’ Weight is spot-on. I wonder how it tests on the Metalytics Sigma Pro.
This is a common fake found all over eBay identified by the broken "E." The counterfeit seems to be always found in an AU condition.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1879-CC-Morgan-Dollar-AU-UNC/272679480753?hash=item3f7cf6adb1:g:52AAAOSwnONZCijy:sc:USPSFirstClass!29301!US!-1
5400 feedback @ 99.7% feedback... it’s virtually impossible to get this listing pulled.
EBay should be paying attention to this detailed diagnostic proof of counterfeit. Peace Roy
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So not made in China?
Quite a space between the "B" and "U" of PLURIBUS!
Well, just Love coins, period.
It has that soft unnatural look to it without pointing out the defects. For a lack of better terms, it appears to be Unc at first glance and it also has that slightly circulated look as well.
Why would they? They make 12-13% off every sale.
It is unfortunate that there is no impetus for the Secret Service to look into eBay's practices. Even the cop at my local flea market pays more attention to fake Morgans being sold for $5 each.
It's a crying shame that the counterfeiters are getting better as time goes on. Thanks very much for your post; it benefits us all to be a little more knowledgeable about this.
I hate to say it, but I probably need to sell all of my CC dollars and all of my trade dollars.
Nobody in a position of authority has lifted a finger against this faking, and unmolested, the fakers just get better and better.
Better to sell while there is still a market, because sooner or later there won't be.
Who can and should do something about these counterfeits? The TPGs and Congress recently updated the Hobby Protection Act.
EBay used to have, but ended, a voluntary outside counterfeit advisory panel. I believe they have said they will work with the TPGs. Has anyone taken them up on their offer? Perhaps a TPG could become the official eBay TPG if they could provide some counterfeit evaluation resources for ones identified by the community?
Should the ANA do something as mentioned by @rogerb?
I've reported hundreds, maybe thousands of counterfeit CC dollars through the coincommunity.com 'contact' and directly through eBay. The OP's coin is by far better than most.
It will fool many.
@Zoins I have been an ANA member for forty years and it recently struck me that the ANA never appears before Congress anymore. I simply assume there is no serious ANA lobbying effort anymore. I assume the ANA is in pure survival mode when it comes to spending its money. The culture of Congress may have changed too from what it was back in the 1970s and 1980s.
As for the Hobby Protection Act, updated or not, it isn't enforced in mainland China. It may not be much enforced in the United States of America, either.
I don't do Children's Crusades, I don't attempt to change the World. That stuff doesn't work.
Maybe I should just sell the coins most affected, while I still can.
My frustration doesn't hurt the deviant. Avoiding him is the only solution.
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This is my biggest disappointment of the ANA moving from DC to Colorado. They used to be very involved with Congress and the Mint. I imagine being close by also meant that travel and housing expenses were much lower for these activities.
Perhaps but Congress did recently cover two areas of interest to collectors: updating the Hobby Protection Act, and proposing a bill to return Lady Liberty to our circulating coinage. I think this latter item could use some lobbying efforts due to the number of interested collectors. But you need to be good at and up to date on lobbying skills to do this.
This is unfortunate. It's not just that the Hobby Protection Act isn't enforced in China, it's not recognized there. Counterfeiting of coins older than 1949 isn't considered a problem because coins older than that age are not legal tender there. That being said, the US attempts to and is often successful at get other countries to follow US laws such as the DCMA for the movie industry, but working with China in this area either hasn't been addressed, isn't of enough interest to address, or is harder to address.
That would be a shame, but I agree there doesn't seem to be a way to effectively stem these counterfeits.
The Chinese are the largest counterfeiter of modern (post 1949) coins in the world. They make fake ASEs by the bazillions. Here's just one example: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/American-Silver-Dollar-Eagle-Commemorative-coin-Museum-Coin-Collection-Gifts/32850611506.html?
Hmm> @AUandAG said:
That’s a problem too. I think there was some talk about this affecting their stock exchange listing a while back for this and other counterfeits. Somehow it seems like counterfeiting LV handbags always comes up as a bigger issue than coins and billion but you would think that legal tender would be more important. Did anything ever happen on this?
And while the other principal World Mints have recently strengthened the anti-counterfeiting devices on their one ounce silver coins, the United States Mint does nothing.
Are they raw?
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@asheland GSA holders or raw, the majority purchased before 1990. I suspect that I might have to get the Trade Dollars slabbed. We are only talking about a dozen coins.
Please note, I am not pitching anything for sale through this main forum. I would have to make a special trip to a remote SDB to get these things. I just hate people who pitch their stuff on the main forum and outside of the BST.
@BillDugan1959 I agree, I would just get them slabbed and continue to enjoy them.
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