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"WOW", is what I said yesterday when I opened the package on this HUGE IKE MAJOR ERROR!!!

ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited August 16, 2018 11:46AM in U.S. Coin Forum

I knew the coin was nice, thus my nuke bid. Way nicer than the sellers' photos :);)

Rolled In Steel Bristle, More commonly called Struck in Wire Error ....

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  • OldEastsideOldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Needs a name , a provenance name, It deserves it

    Steve

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  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OldEastside said:
    Needs a name , a provenance name, It deserves it

    Steve

    I have "named" many coins already like the "Harry Potter Nickel", "Pac-Man Dime", and others.

    I agree that this one needs a name but nothing comes to mind. I am open to suggestions.

  • jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,218 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Scar face?

  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    tell me it's a Type 2. :o

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Take that rusty wire out and dip the coin! LOL WOW! A wire strike thru is something missing in my tiny error collection.

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @keets said:
    tell me it's a Type 2. :o

    I wouldn't know, need the reverse?

  • jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,218 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Even better... "The Terminator!"

  • dmwestdmwest Posts: 959 ✭✭✭✭

    2 faced Ike.

    Don't quote me on that.

  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A different pawn shop in Sacramento had an Ike error with TWO Ikes in it.
    One cupped over the other. Neat beyond belief.
    I would think (in fact think it's for SURE) that Fred W. got to look at it. Maybe even bought it.

  • OldEastsideOldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jwitten said:
    Even better... "The Terminator!"

    Or Braveheart Ike

    Steve

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  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ike of Steel

  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,974 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What is the discoloration - rust? Maybe rust or "patina" from the wire that was spread outward on the surface as the whole mess was rolled out?

  • ManifestDestinyManifestDestiny Posts: 106 ✭✭✭

    Say hello to my little friend!!

    @jwitten said:
    Scar face?

  • bsshog40bsshog40 Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like scarface. Lol

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  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBK said:
    What is the discoloration - rust? Maybe rust or "patina" from the wire that was spread outward on the surface as the whole mess was rolled out?

    It is not rust. It is the copper core.

    The wire or steel bristle was rolled into the metal as it was being rolled to the correct thickness before the blanks were punched out.

  • nankrautnankraut Posts: 4,565 ✭✭✭

    "Lightning Strike"?

    I'm the Proud recipient of a genuine "you suck" award dated 1/24/05. I was accepted into the "Circle of Trust" on 3/9/09.
  • SwampboySwampboy Posts: 13,061 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm gonna try the bold type everybody is so keen on lately

    Iron Ike

    ps Cool Score!!

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  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @nankraut said:
    "Lightning Strike"?

    I already "Named" this one that ....

  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 14,030 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The 'Nasal Passage' Ike :smile:

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  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This one deserves a trip to the plastic factory .....

  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "lightning strike" is a Type 3, please show the reverse of the new on.

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    keets here ya go ....

  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Type 3.

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,445 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's cool!

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:

    @JBK said:
    What is the discoloration - rust? Maybe rust or "patina" from the wire that was spread outward on the surface as the whole mess was rolled out?

    It is not rust. It is the copper core.

    The wire or steel bristle was rolled into the metal as it was being rolled to the correct thickness before the blanks were punched out.

    Sounds good but I don't believe it. I'll bet if I put that coin under a microscope, dampened the tip of a wood sliver and touched it to the edge of the copper discoloration it would disappear. Additionally, no one would see what I did after I covered my tracks! Then, I would know of sure it was a discoloration and not the core.

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 16, 2018 12:33PM

    @Insider2 said:

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:

    @JBK said:
    What is the discoloration - rust? Maybe rust or "patina" from the wire that was spread outward on the surface as the whole mess was rolled out?

    It is not rust. It is the copper core.

    The wire or steel bristle was rolled into the metal as it was being rolled to the correct thickness before the blanks were punched out.

    Sounds good but I don't believe it. I'll bet if I put that coin under a microscope, dampened the tip of a wood sliver and touched it to the edge of the copper discoloration it would disappear. Additionally, no one would see what I did after I covered my tracks! Then, I would know of sure it was a discoloration and not the core.

    Disagree, this is exactly how Mike Diamond explained this type of error too me and it makes perfect sense and is obvious if you look at the coin. The copper color is from the copper core for sure, 100%.

  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,974 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 16, 2018 12:35PM

    I don't doubt you but how did it rise to the surface? Did the wire displace or push it upward? I am trying to visualize the situation as it was occurring.

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As the thick stock clad metal is rolled out to the correct thickness, somehow a wire bristle from a wire brush used by the mint fell out and landed on the "thick" stock clad metal. As it is rolled out thinner, the wire is pushed into the metal slicing thru the nickel layer and into the copper core. As the metal gets rolled out thinner and thinner the split expands outward show more of the copper core. Once the correct thickness, the blanks punched out, then upset and off the press. The planchet with the rolled in wire ALREADY in the blank gets stuck by the mint dies.

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 16, 2018 12:51PM

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:

    @Insider2 said:

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:

    @JBK said:
    What is the discoloration - rust? Maybe rust or "patina" from the wire that was spread outward on the surface as the whole mess was rolled out?

    It is not rust. It is the copper core.

    The wire or steel bristle was rolled into the metal as it was being rolled to the correct thickness before the blanks were punched out.

    Sounds good but I don't believe it. I'll bet if I put that coin under a microscope, dampened the tip of a wood sliver and touched it to the edge of the copper discoloration it would disappear. Additionally, no one would see what I did after I covered my tracks! Then, I would know of sure it was a discoloration and not the core.

    Disagree, this is exactly how Mike Diamond explained this type of error too me and it makes perfect sense and is obvious if you look at the coin. The copper color is from the copper core for sure, 100%.

    You have the coin and I respect Mike's opinion (If he gave it with the coin in hand). If this is true, there should be many images on the Net of an Ike with the core showing through around a strike thru, rather than **a patch of discoloration that virtually follows the outline of a rusty piece of wire.

    PS It could be both IF the area very close to the wire is incuse. Then as we move farther away from the wire, the surface is the correct level, normal and just discolored.

  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,974 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think I get it :# - this is not a conventional struck thru where something fell on the planchet prior to striking, but rather a coin struck from a planchet that had imbedded debris already in the surface. That debris had caused disruption of the clad layers in the rolling process, thereby exposing some of the copper.

    Correct?

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 16, 2018 12:58PM

    Mike has not seen this coin. I have not seen this error on another Ike. I have seen the exact same error on many other coins that I have bought and sold. One of those coins I did buy from Mike. He did explain this error to me very clearly and it makes complete sense.

    I do have the coin in hand and it is copper in color, It is NOT discolored, No way, No how!

    Learn something and don't fight it. knowledge is good.

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 16, 2018 12:58PM

    Bets??? <3

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:
    Bets??? <3

    I'll take that bet.

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 16, 2018 1:05PM

    @JBK said:
    I think I get it :# - this is not a conventional struck thru where something fell on the planchet prior to striking, but rather a coin struck from a planchet that had imbedded debris already in the surface. That debris had caused disruption of the clad layers in the rolling process, thereby exposing some of the copper.

    Correct?

    Correct you do get it.

    You wrapped your brain around the concept which became clear and made total sense leaving No other possible explanations.

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:

    @JBK said:
    I think I get it :# - this is not a conventional struck thru where something fell on the planchet prior to striking, but rather a coin struck from a planchet that had imbedded debris already in the surface. That debris had caused disruption of the clad layers in the rolling process, thereby exposing some of the copper.

    Correct?

    Correct you do get it.

    You wrapped your brain around the concept which became clear and made total sense leaving No other possible explanations.

    That is exactly what Mike said. It was Very easy to understand!

    Hey, it is possible IF the wire was rolled into the strip as the clad layer was being bonded and disrupted the operation for a tiny section of the strip allowing the copper core to show through all around the wire inclusion. When the roll was sent to the mint, a perfectly centered punch occurred at the blanking press. [The Ike planchets may have been supplied to the mint already made] Otherwise, as the blanks were made, the punch miraculously centered the error and the "naked" core with wire still attached went through the upset mill, the riddlers, the washing and annealing, and was struck. What a wonderful occurrence as that makes the coin more rare than my wildest dreams.

    I prefer the simple explanation, a wire was struck into a coin when it was made and it discolored the coin's surface.

    PS I'm not being a >:). Enjoy!

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 16, 2018 1:52PM

    I gave the simple explanation. Your explanation makes no sense.

    Get off the discolored thing as it is copper.

    And yes, this coin is Extremely Rare!!!

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks! It certainly looks like copper. <3

  • themasterthemaster Posts: 676 ✭✭✭

    I spike Ike.

    Have a Great Da

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks Again. <3 On these two coins, I can clearly see the sharp edge of the clad layer where the core is exposed.

    I appreciate you continuing to refute my opinion and then providing proof to convince me I was mistaken and you were correct. An education is expensive, I lost the bet! :p I should have never sold the bottom coin unless for unbelievable money.

    Continuing education please: How expensive is this error on a dime or quarter? What is the exact description of the error as it would appear on a TPGS label (IMO, strike thru is lame).

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 16, 2018 2:22PM

    Your welcome. The TPG's called it a "struck in wire", whereas "rolled in wire" would be more appropriate.

    Price depends on many factors. The Ike will be in the upper end tho ;)

  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,974 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Groovy, man! B)

    I am guessing that in some cases the wire did not go down without a fight. I can see it being dragged by the roller (or trying to escape the inevitable crushing) and then tearing into the surface when it finally got pulled under the roller, thereby exposing the copper.

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBK said:
    Groovy, man! B)

    I am guessing that in some cases the wire did not go down without a fight. I can see it being dragged by the roller (or trying to escape the inevitable crushing) and then tearing into the surface when it finally got pulled under the roller, thereby exposing the copper.

    Yes exactly. I saw one last month that I forgot to bid on that had the exact rolled in look, but without the wire which had fallen out prior to striking.

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My eyes are wide open. I just went on the internet and found a dime for $275. I'm going to look for a less expensive example from an uninformed coin dealer who thinks the coin is "discolored." LOL.

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 16, 2018 2:34PM

    @Insider2 said:
    My eyes are wide open. I just went on the internet and found a dime for $275. I'm going to look for a less expensive example from an uninformed coin dealer who thinks the coin is "discolored." LOL.

    It would still be thought of as a struck in wire which are rare and expensive.

  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,156 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I say Tiny Tim. Tiptoe thru the tulips with me. Peace Roy

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  • SiriusBlackSiriusBlack Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There's a Harry Potter Nickel??

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  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice looking error coin!!

  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,974 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Another question.....

    Without the telltale copper trail, would it be obvious if a wire was rolled in vs a normal struckthru? Such as on a nickel, for example?

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