Does anyone have a COA for a Daniel Carr 1916 Barber half die pair 1, you could make a copy of?

GRANDAM · July 3, 2018 10:57PM

I need a copy of a COA for a Daniel Carr Overstrike; 1916 Barber half die pair 1.

I would be happy to pay a few bucks for your time and postage.

Thanks, GrandAm

MsMorrisine · July 3, 2018 11:07PM

High grade or bag handled ?

DC might can pop 1 off for you, too.

GRANDAM · July 3, 2018 11:08PM

@MsMorrisine said:
High grade or bag handled ?

DC might can pop 1 off for you, too.

High Grade,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Dan,,,,,,,,,, is a busy guy,,,,,,, I hate to ask him to do it.

dcarr · July 3, 2018 11:47PM

There have been times in the past where I would sell a "factory reject" at a discount to somebody in person, intentionally WITHOUT a COA. Such rejects typically have undesirable defects, but not so bad that I would melt it. I am hesitant to make any COAs for past issues unless I know the chain of custody of the coin.

GRANDAM · July 3, 2018 11:52PM

The coin is in an ICG MS 69 holder.

dcarr · July 4, 2018 12:24AM

Most of the original certificates for those coins have the typographical error "Dolar". Many of those were corrected to "Dollar" by hand using a pen. This eBay listing (not by me) shows one: https://ebay.com/itm/232797054181

I could print another certificate for that coin. I did change my printer at some point, so a new one might look a little bit different.

Timbuk3 · July 4, 2018 12:26AM

Right on !!!

MsMorrisine · July 4, 2018 5:34AM

@dcarr said:
Most of the original certificates for those coins have the typographical error "Dolar". Many of those were corrected to "Dollar" by hand using a pen. This eBay listing (not by me) shows one: https://ebay.com/itm/232797054181

I could print another certificate for that coin. I did change my printer at some point, so a new one might look a little bit different.

I have one that says
1916 Barber Half Dolar
High Grade

I also have some that explicitly say "Die Pair 2"

Also keep in mind copies often look like a copy.

Crypto · July 4, 2018 7:04AM

@dcarr said:
There have been times in the past where I would sell a "factory reject" at a discount to somebody in person, intentionally WITHOUT a COA. Such rejects typically have undesirable defects, but not so bad that I would melt it. I am hesitant to make any COAs for past issues unless I know the chain of custody of the coin.

I find it funny that D Carr is sensitive about making reproductions of things.

1940coupe · July 4, 2018 11:07AM

Dan doesn't make reproductions he over stamps real coins there is a Huge difference !

Smudge · July 4, 2018 11:28AM

There goes that eBay link again.

1940coupe · July 4, 2018 7:24PM

hey cameonut2011 can you explain what you disagree with ? and if you dont like Daniel Carr coins why would you be in a thread about Daniel Carr COA ?

cameonut2011 · July 4, 2018 8:56PM

@1940coupe said:
hey cameonut2011 can you explain what you disagree with ? and if you dont like Daniel Carr coins why would you be in a thread about Daniel Carr COA ?

It has nothing to do with liking his work or not. I agreed with Crypto's comment, and see his piece as along the lines of a reproduction. I don't think the distinction you made was significant. For all intents and purposes, the "real coin" is dead. Save perhaps for faint traces, the original coin was destroyed.

P.S. I didn't post an explanation as (1) I didn't want to make an off topic post and (2) I thought it would be understood in light of Crypto's post.

dcarr · July 5, 2018 1:46AM

@Crypto said:

@dcarr said:
There have been times in the past where I would sell a "factory reject" at a discount to somebody in person, intentionally WITHOUT a COA. Such rejects typically have undesirable defects, but not so bad that I would melt it. I am hesitant to make any COAs for past issues unless I know the chain of custody of the coin.

I find it funny that D Carr is sensitive about making reproductions of things.

More like issuing more original certificates than a "reproduction".
Regardless, I want to make sure the certificate is the right one for the right piece before I make one.

dcarr · July 5, 2018 1:48AM

@MsMorrisine said:

@dcarr said:
Most of the original certificates for those coins have the typographical error "Dolar". Many of those were corrected to "Dollar" by hand using a pen. This eBay listing (not by me) shows one: https://ebay.com/itm/232797054181

I could print another certificate for that coin. I did change my printer at some point, so a new one might look a little bit different.

I have one that says
1916 Barber Half Dolar
High Grade

I also have some that explicitly say "Die Pair 2"

Also keep in mind copies often look like a copy.

I didn't expect to make more than one die pair. So I didn't put "Die Pair 1" on the earlier certificates.
When the first die cracked I decided to produce a second die pair and put "Die Pair 2" on all those certificates.

Crypto · July 5, 2018 6:06AM

@1940coupe said:
Dan doesn't make reproductions he over stamps real coins there is a Huge difference !

So if the Chinese made their fakes using repurposed culls it would be ok?

The counterfeiters who make 100$ bills by bleaching 1$ bills to get the paper right are more legit than people just using a color copier?

I get that D Carr is open and honest but the fog of time might not be. I just typically take a no funny stuff stance in life, 100% legit is a good thing and say what you will his stuff isn’t 100% anything.

dcarr · July 5, 2018 1:24PM

@Crypto said:
The counterfeiters who make 100$ bills by bleaching 1$ bills to get the paper right are more legit than people just using a color copier?

Anybody doing this is drastically increasing the apparent face value of the legal tender, and presumably doing so with intent to deceive.

Crypto · July 5, 2018 2:19PM

@dcarr said:

@Crypto said:
The counterfeiters who make 100$ bills by bleaching 1$ bills to get the paper right are more legit than people just using a color copier?

Anybody doing this is drastically increasing the apparent face value of the legal tender, and presumably doing so with intent to deceive.

What do you pass your creations for once you modify them? Face value? Intent is not all laws are based on, practice counts too.

I maintain the thing that you do with the most legal ambiguity/risk is the creation of legal tender looking dies. The overstikes are just vague enough to get ignored.

1630Boston · July 5, 2018 2:49PM

@Crypto said:

@dcarr said:
There have been times in the past where I would sell a "factory reject" at a discount to somebody in person, intentionally WITHOUT a COA. Such rejects typically have undesirable defects, but not so bad that I would melt it. I am hesitant to make any COAs for past issues unless I know the chain of custody of the coin.

I find it funny that D Carr is sensitive about making reproductions of things.

I'm not sure he is 'sensitive'...........I would think that he does not want his COA's used with 'coins' that do not warrant them, JMO

GRANDAM · July 5, 2018 2:53PM

@1630Boston said:
I'm not sure he is 'sensitive'...........I would think that he does not want his COA's used with 'coins' that do not warrant them, JMO

See the photo above,,,,, the coin is a MS69..... obviously a high grade piece,,,,,,, didn't realize this would be such a big deal.

1630Boston · July 5, 2018 3:32PM

@GRANDAM said:

@1630Boston said:
I'm not sure he is 'sensitive'...........I would think that he does not want his COA's used with 'coins' that do not warrant them, JMO

See the photo above,,,,, the coin is a MS69..... obviously a high grade piece,,,,,,, didn't realize this would be such a big deal.

Be assured my comment was not specifically directed at your coin or your request for a copied COA.
I also believe that @dcarr 's comment was posted prior to you posting the photo above and I was responding based on that.
Any way, You have a very nice example of that 'coin', congrats

cameonut2011 · July 5, 2018 3:38PM

@dcarr said:

@Crypto said:
The counterfeiters who make 100$ bills by bleaching 1$ bills to get the paper right are more legit than people just using a color copier?

Anybody doing this is drastically increasing the apparent face value of the legal tender, and presumably doing so with intent to deceive.

Maybe, maybe not. What if one of them sold their pieces as art and advertised them as such? Where would the distinction be? What if someone did a $1 bill over a $2 note in furtherance of "art?" What if someone emulated a 1996 series $100 bill over a 2013 series $100 bill as a novelty?

cameonut2011 · July 5, 2018 3:41PM

@GRANDAM said:
I need a copy of a COA for a Daniel Carr Overstrike; 1916 Barber half die pair 1.

I would be happy to pay a few bucks for your time and postage.

Thanks, GrandAm

Have you thought about grabbing a high quality scan from the internet and printing it on card stock? Of course, you would need to disclose this to any future buyer.

GRANDAM · July 5, 2018 4:05PM

@cameonut2011 said:

@GRANDAM said:
I need a copy of a COA for a Daniel Carr Overstrike; 1916 Barber half die pair 1.

I would be happy to pay a few bucks for your time and postage.

Thanks, GrandAm

Have you thought about grabbing a high quality scan from the internet and printing it on card stock? Of course, you would need to disclose this to any future buyer.

It ia apparent to me that you don't own any Dan Carr items,,,,,, they are not printed on card stock or even heavy paper. Just medium weight paper and it appears to me that they are all copies of an original. A photo copy would be little different from one that comes with a coin with the exception that Dan noted above that he hand added another "L" due to a misspelling on the COA.

This coin is for my personal collection and not for resale any time soon.

P.S. the last time I "BORROWED" a photo from the internet alot of you guys came after me with pitch forks and fire torches. I see guys using "BORROWED" photos all the time and people here suggest it frequently and announce doing so but I guess I am the exception and deserved to "rosted alive at the steak" like I was.

Thank-you very much.

cameonut2011 · July 5, 2018 4:11PM

@GRANDAM said:

@cameonut2011 said:

@GRANDAM said:
I need a copy of a COA for a Daniel Carr Overstrike; 1916 Barber half die pair 1.

I would be happy to pay a few bucks for your time and postage.

Thanks, GrandAm

Have you thought about grabbing a high quality scan from the internet and printing it on card stock? Of course, you would need to disclose this to any future buyer.

It ia apparent to me that you don't own any Dan Carr items,,,,,, they are not printed on card stock or even heavy paper. Just medium weight paper and it appears to me that they are all copies of an original. A photo copy would be little different from one that comes with a coin with the exception that Dan noted above that he hand added another "L" due to a misspelling on the COA.

This coin is for my personal collection and not for resale any time soon.

P.S. the last time I "BORROWED" a photo from the internet alot of you guys came after me with pitch forks and fire torches. I see guys using "BORROWED" photos all the time and people here suggest it frequently and announce doing so but I guess I am the exception and deserved to "rosted alive at the steak" like I was.

Thank-you very much.

I didn't attack your photo usage habits. If it isn't even printed on card stock, that's even better as the paper will be cheaper and easier to print even with the most difficult printer. Good luck.

GRANDAM · July 5, 2018 4:14PM

I didn't attack your photo usage habits. If it isn't even printed on card stock, that's even better as the paper will be cheaper and easier to print even with the most difficult printer. Good luck.

No you didn't but that is a sore subject with me. About half a dozen guys here came at me pretty hard and your post brought up a sore subject with me.

Not meaning to get on you cameonut2011

Paradisefound · July 5, 2018 11:30PM

cut it off already ...this is just a simple inquire for a copy of COA. Be NICE

CaptHenway · July 6, 2018 6:18AM

I think I will come out of retirement and open a COA authentication service!

Does anyone have a COA for a Daniel Carr 1916 Barber half die pair 1, you could make a copy of?

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