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1486 Guldiner, well almost.
Zohar
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Well, as a Habsburg Taler collector, my dream is to one day attain the ultimate Guldengroschen or its nickname, The Guldiner.
The Guldiner was a large silver coin originally minted in Tirol in 1486 and was designed so that eight coins minted would weigh in pure silver at one Tiroler Mark. This worked for Tirol, but much of Europe was accustomed to measuring by the more widely used Cologne mark. The key development of the Guldiner occurred in 1518 when the Joachimsthal mint in Habsburg-controlled Bohemia slightly altered the weight of the coin from 31.93 g down to 29.20 g. This made it possible to mint nine Guldiners to have the silver weight equivalent of one Cologne Mark, rather than the eight in Tirol. This new coin was known as the Joachimsthaler (Joachimsthal Guldiner), but like the Guldengroschen being contracted to Guldiner, the Joachimsthaler became known simply as the Thaler. This new coin was an instant success and was the great grandfather of many other similar weight coins like the Daalder, Dollar, Tolar, Tallero, etc.
The renaissance design of the Guldiner depicted below, is quite unique. Finding an nice original piece is quite an undertaking financially and simply locating these in nice condition.
In 1953, the Hall Mint minted 5,000 restrikes of the original. For now, I decided to pursue the less expensive path, and own one of these, hoping to one day have the original.
The Guldiner was a large silver coin originally minted in Tirol in 1486 and was designed so that eight coins minted would weigh in pure silver at one Tiroler Mark. This worked for Tirol, but much of Europe was accustomed to measuring by the more widely used Cologne mark. The key development of the Guldiner occurred in 1518 when the Joachimsthal mint in Habsburg-controlled Bohemia slightly altered the weight of the coin from 31.93 g down to 29.20 g. This made it possible to mint nine Guldiners to have the silver weight equivalent of one Cologne Mark, rather than the eight in Tirol. This new coin was known as the Joachimsthaler (Joachimsthal Guldiner), but like the Guldengroschen being contracted to Guldiner, the Joachimsthaler became known simply as the Thaler. This new coin was an instant success and was the great grandfather of many other similar weight coins like the Daalder, Dollar, Tolar, Tallero, etc.
The renaissance design of the Guldiner depicted below, is quite unique. Finding an nice original piece is quite an undertaking financially and simply locating these in nice condition.
In 1953, the Hall Mint minted 5,000 restrikes of the original. For now, I decided to pursue the less expensive path, and own one of these, hoping to one day have the original.
Habsburg Talers
TalerUniverse.com is a curated numismatic project dedicated to the silver talers, crowns, and medals of the Habsburg Empire and the Holy Roman Empire, spanning the 16th–18th centuries. The collection emphasizes historically significant issues, rare mint varieties, and high-grade NGC/PCGS examples, presented with detailed historical context, scholarly references, and high-resolution photography. TalerUniverse aims to serve both as a private collection showcase and a growing reference resource for collectors, researchers, and students of early-modern European coinage.
TalerUniverse.com is a curated numismatic project dedicated to the silver talers, crowns, and medals of the Habsburg Empire and the Holy Roman Empire, spanning the 16th–18th centuries. The collection emphasizes historically significant issues, rare mint varieties, and high-grade NGC/PCGS examples, presented with detailed historical context, scholarly references, and high-resolution photography. TalerUniverse aims to serve both as a private collection showcase and a growing reference resource for collectors, researchers, and students of early-modern European coinage.
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Gary
This just arrived today. These restrikes are fun!
My current "Box of 20"
Can't see much of the original post, but nice coin @Bob13. Love the color!
Wonderful look to that one! I sold mine when I purchased an original.
TalerUniverse.com is a curated numismatic project dedicated to the silver talers, crowns, and medals of the Habsburg Empire and the Holy Roman Empire, spanning the 16th–18th centuries. The collection emphasizes historically significant issues, rare mint varieties, and high-grade NGC/PCGS examples, presented with detailed historical context, scholarly references, and high-resolution photography. TalerUniverse aims to serve both as a private collection showcase and a growing reference resource for collectors, researchers, and students of early-modern European coinage.
@Zohar was a nervous wreck leading up that auction lot. But I’m glad he got it. The ladies at SB bent over backwards to make sure we wouldn’t miss the lot because of dinner or anything short of divine intervention.
At dinner before the auction, Z was so nervous and hands shaking so badly that I had to de-shell his crustaceans for him.
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Not sure I remember
TalerUniverse.com is a curated numismatic project dedicated to the silver talers, crowns, and medals of the Habsburg Empire and the Holy Roman Empire, spanning the 16th–18th centuries. The collection emphasizes historically significant issues, rare mint varieties, and high-grade NGC/PCGS examples, presented with detailed historical context, scholarly references, and high-resolution photography. TalerUniverse aims to serve both as a private collection showcase and a growing reference resource for collectors, researchers, and students of early-modern European coinage.
@Zohar - thanks so much for posting your original coin. It is truly amazing! Congratulations.
I do wish more of your photos were still visible, rather than the photobucket error messages.
My current "Box of 20"
Thank you very much. All of these are on the TalerUniverse website
TalerUniverse.com is a curated numismatic project dedicated to the silver talers, crowns, and medals of the Habsburg Empire and the Holy Roman Empire, spanning the 16th–18th centuries. The collection emphasizes historically significant issues, rare mint varieties, and high-grade NGC/PCGS examples, presented with detailed historical context, scholarly references, and high-resolution photography. TalerUniverse aims to serve both as a private collection showcase and a growing reference resource for collectors, researchers, and students of early-modern European coinage.
Ahh the pursuit of a great coin .
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.