IMHO the market in general and the FS market in particular is so dormant that no FS will move well, regardless of mintage. Now Rare Plastic? That's a whole different Ballgame. If someone were to offer a 2017-P Lincoln in ultra rare Plastic, the frenzy around it would make Bitcoin look tame.
did anyone see the American Experience episode this week on Into the Amazon, Teddy Roosevelt's trip charting an unknown amazon river. Pretty cool story.
@NeoclassicalAnalyst said:
The asking price for Eleanor uncirculated coins remains stable, suggesting that sizable dealer returns for Ford and Nixon are coming soon.
I believe Eleanor will always be key or co-key at the very least.
First Spouse 16SB 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - NIXON 1845 01/15/2018
First Spouse 16SC 2016 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ - FORD 2484 01/15/2018
First Spouse 16SD 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - FORD 1836 01/15/2018
After the first year, the spouse coins have all had crazy low sales numbers. Obviously, that's because they're ugly and expensive. Opinions can change...eleven UNC's under 2000 and six proofs under 2500 in total sales. Investing in the aforementioned is a solid risk-reward bet in my opinion.
It will be sort of interesting to watch these Spouse Coins and the Brass Medals also. I've got some of the lowest mintage ones, have to stifle a yawn when I think about it.
I have probably 24 Coins between the BU Roosevelt (10), Johnson, Nixon, and Ford FS Coins. I've never sent a Coin in for slabbing but I'm thinking just the submission Postage & Insurance alone will be really big. Can I save anything by taking them to the next Baltimore Show and doing a direct submission? Even if it only gave me enough to cover my travel momey I think that would be a deal. Baltimore in about 2005 was the only big show I ever went to. I think maybe it's time for a repeat, but NOT on a Saturday at 2 PM !
In the long run I expect the First Spouse proofs will outperform the uncs. Most collectors would rather have proofs, which typically outsell the uncs by 2-1 or more for regular commems and gold/silver eagles.
@kiyote said:
It is pretty tight, spreadwise. Eleanor Roosevelt was/is far more popular than Ford or Nixon. She’s iconic.
agree, a pair of eleanor roosevelt gold coins were sold for more than $5800 a couple of days ago at bay, man..., talking about serious collectors.
Eleanor is #3 on both lists and may be the key PF & MS coins in the series. If not the highest priced, I imagine she will be very close to Coolidge and Ford. I could see prices close to $10K for the Eleanor pair in a few years.
@kiyote said:
You have one out of every 190 Roosevelt’s!
Did you order those from the mint at the same time?
Yes, I ordered all 10 in separate orders so I'd have 10 " sealed / unopened" boxes. This was the first count down I ever participated in. I kept going back and clicking as if I was a drone in a Slots Parlor again.
It's been a bit painful watching, waiting, wondering these past few years. In the meantime I hedged my bet with a few orders of the other contenders.
And in the end..... well.... I got a small pile of bullion. Beats what I'd have from pulling a Slot Handle.
PS - I have a few other of the FS Kitties, somewhere. The Martha I remember very well .... hideous! That WILL be the first to go to the melters - one day ... hopefully soon.
I've been doing some reading of past posts on this thread and I've learned a few things. Seems like I have a Proof Eleanor somewhere in my accumulation . One day soon I need to dig through ALL my stash and do some trimming. At the very least I need to do an inventory.
Well looks like I have work to do. The Mint has nothing at all for me this year so I'll be very busy just cleaning out the Closet.
I didn't find my Caroline sleeve...hmmmm. The weekly sales numbers are out and if I'm looking at it right the Johnson UNC and Ford PF are the only changes.
First Spouse 16SD 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - FORD 1825 02/05/2018
First Spouse 16SB 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - NIXON 1839 02/05/2018
First Spouse JQ8 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - JOHNSON 1927 02/05/2018
First Spouse JQ2 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - TRUMAN 1946 02/05/2018
First Spouse 16SF 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - REAGAN 2010 02/05/2018
First Spouse JQ4 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - EISENHWR 2102 02/05/2018
First Spouse 16SC 2016 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ - FORD 2471 02/05/2018
First Spouse 16SA 2016 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ - NIXON 2646 02/05/2018
First Spouse JQ1 2015 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ - TRUMAN 2747 02/05/2018
First Spouse 16SE 2016 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ - REAGAN 3548 02/05/2018
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IMHO the market in general and the FS market in particular is so dormant that no FS will move well, regardless of mintage. Now Rare Plastic? That's a whole different Ballgame. If someone were to offer a 2017-P Lincoln in ultra rare Plastic, the frenzy around it would make Bitcoin look tame.
did anyone see the American Experience episode this week on Into the Amazon, Teddy Roosevelt's trip charting an unknown amazon river. Pretty cool story.
I believe Eleanor will always be key or co-key at the very least.
kiyote--Did you order the Ford from the Mint?
How are today's numbers looking? Haven't had time to check.
No numbers yet.
...but melt value is $667! I'd rather own a FS that a $25 AGE.
First Spouse 16SB 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - NIXON 1845 01/15/2018
First Spouse 16SC 2016 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ - FORD 2484 01/15/2018
First Spouse 16SD 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - FORD 1836 01/15/2018
I did. About three days before they went off sale.
Oooh score— those are low numbers for Ford and Nixon! Only a 9 coin difference. They’re both new keys like Lucy Hayes and Lucretia were.
Darn. Jackie Robinson got its butt beat bad by these Spouse Coins. And Eleanor got beat down also .
Hmmmm....... how many Fords and Nixons are in my Junk Box anyway?
Might have to do a tally one day. No hurry.
Lowest mintage does not always define a key.
After the first year, the spouse coins have all had crazy low sales numbers. Obviously, that's because they're ugly and expensive. Opinions can change...eleven UNC's under 2000 and six proofs under 2500 in total sales. Investing in the aforementioned is a solid risk-reward bet in my opinion.
edit--The four Liberty coins aren't ugly
It will be sort of interesting to watch these Spouse Coins and the Brass Medals also. I've got some of the lowest mintage ones, have to stifle a yawn when I think about it.
Some of the medal sets are crazy high
https://ebay.com/itm/2014-U-S-Mint-Presidential-dollar-and-First-Spouse-medal-set-Hoover-31-/253238037255?hash=item3af629cb07%3Ag%3AmUYAAOSwrjBZ8R3V&nma=true&si=Y8dIOjXI%252BEoMWzSAoYa7uleF1z4%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
Easy set to complete. Have them all.
Box of 20
The 2014‘s are tough. I have a complete medal set except for 2014. I think they were on sale for an hour.
$710 for a Hoover set, WOW. I don't have any info on these...is there a thread?
I have probably 24 Coins between the BU Roosevelt (10), Johnson, Nixon, and Ford FS Coins. I've never sent a Coin in for slabbing but I'm thinking just the submission Postage & Insurance alone will be really big. Can I save anything by taking them to the next Baltimore Show and doing a direct submission? Even if it only gave me enough to cover my travel momey I think that would be a deal. Baltimore in about 2005 was the only big show I ever went to. I think maybe it's time for a repeat, but NOT on a Saturday at 2 PM !
New numbers today. I'd think that they will be very close to the final numbers.
It's past 5pm and no numbers. Looks like they won't update until tomorrow afternoon. Casualty of the shutdown?
Must be the 1 weekday shutdown. Unreal.
Still not updated. Ugh!
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Nixon and Ford UNCs fell even more!
no deep key, going to be a popularity contest.
tradeshack--Where did you get these numbers?
@drei3ree said:
It’s a spreadsheet compilation of the mint’s weekly reports. Those were the last mintages reported for each of those low mintage coins.
It is pretty tight, spreadwise. Eleanor Roosevelt was/is far more popular than Ford or Nixon. She’s iconic.
Ford still lowest. 1827. Only 13 lower than Nixon. I'm guessing this is about it till the final, audited reports.
agree, a pair of eleanor roosevelt gold coins were sold for more than $5800 a couple of days ago at bay, man..., talking about serious collectors.
Thank you. Do you have the proof sales numbers?
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Thank you! I have 2,008 for McKinley UNC's?
In the long run I expect the First Spouse proofs will outperform the uncs. Most collectors would rather have proofs, which typically outsell the uncs by 2-1 or more for regular commems and gold/silver eagles.
My Adolph A. Weinman signature
firstspousegoldcoin.com also has McKinley at 2,008 so I’m inclined to think that number is correct. Very low mintage regardless.
I believe the Harrison proof is 3,046, which would make it #15.
Eleanor is #3 on both lists and may be the key PF & MS coins in the series. If not the highest priced, I imagine she will be very close to Coolidge and Ford. I could see prices close to $10K for the Eleanor pair in a few years.
Johnson (8) - 1,930
Roosevelt (10) - 1,886
Nixon (4) - 1,840 (1,839 - last update)
Ford (6) - 1,827 (1,824 - last update)
Whoopie !
I got 28 of the lowest mintage Coins in recent times !
Even if it's all just Bullion. ........
You have one out of every 190 Roosevelt’s!
Did you order those from the mint at the same time?
Grace Coolidge leads the proofs with 2315.
Eleanor Roosevelt is the 3rd in that running , with 2377.
Here's a warning parable for coin collectors...
The final audited numbers won't be out for a few years. It's not often, but there are instances where the numbers change significantly.
Yes, I ordered all 10 in separate orders so I'd have 10 " sealed / unopened" boxes. This was the first count down I ever participated in. I kept going back and clicking as if I was a drone in a Slots Parlor again.
It's been a bit painful watching, waiting, wondering these past few years. In the meantime I hedged my bet with a few orders of the other contenders.
And in the end..... well.... I got a small pile of bullion. Beats what I'd have from pulling a Slot Handle.
PS - I have a few other of the FS Kitties, somewhere. The Martha I remember very well .... hideous! That WILL be the first to go to the melters - one day ... hopefully soon.
I've been doing some reading of past posts on this thread and I've learned a few things. Seems like I have a Proof Eleanor somewhere in my accumulation . One day soon I need to dig through ALL my stash and do some trimming. At the very least I need to do an inventory.
Well looks like I have work to do. The Mint has nothing at all for me this year so I'll be very busy just cleaning out the Closet.
Any significant changes in numbers in today's weekly report? Having trouble pulling it up on my phone.
(((Updated with data from the US Mint's final unaudited report (March 4, 2018) of Cumulative Sales Figures. )))
Lowest Uncirculated Mintage
16SD 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - FORD 1,824
16SB 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - NIXON 1,839
HP8 2014 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - ROOSEVELT 1,886
JQ8 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - JOHNSON 1,927
HP6 2014 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - HOOVER 1,936
HP2 2014 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - HARDING 1,944
JQ2 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - TRUMAN 1,946
HP4 2014 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - COOLIDGE 1,949
1CK 2013 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - WILSON 2ND 1,974
1CH 2013 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - WILSON 1ST 1,980
1CF 2013 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - TAFT 1,993
1CB 2013 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - MCKINLEY 2,008
16SF 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - REAGAN 2,009
1CD 2013 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - ROOSEVLT 2,027
JQ4 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - EISENHWR 2,102
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Lowest Proof Mintage
HP3 2014 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ - COOLIDGE 2,315
HP1 2014 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ - HARDING 2,372
HP7 2014 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ - ROOSEVELT 2,377
HP5 2014 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ - HOOVER 2,392
1CJ 2013 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ - WILSON 2ND 2,464
16SC 2016 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ - FORD 2,471
1CG 2013 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ - WILSON 1ST 2,511
1CE 2013 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ - TAFT 2,598
16SA 2016 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ - NIXON 2,645
JQ7 2015 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ - JOHNSON 2,653
JQ4 2015 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ - EISENHWR 2,704
1CA 2013 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ - MCKINLEY 2,724
JQ1 2015 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ - TRUMAN 2,747
1CC 2013 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ - ROOSEVLT 2,840
? 2012 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ - HARRISON 3,046
Harrison proof is "X04"--oops, that's Anna. I'll see if I can find the Caroline slip cover...
Thanks!!
I didn't find my Caroline sleeve...hmmmm. The weekly sales numbers are out and if I'm looking at it right the Johnson UNC and Ford PF are the only changes.
First Spouse 16SD 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - FORD 1825 02/05/2018
First Spouse 16SB 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - NIXON 1839 02/05/2018
First Spouse JQ8 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - JOHNSON 1927 02/05/2018
First Spouse JQ2 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - TRUMAN 1946 02/05/2018
First Spouse 16SF 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - REAGAN 2010 02/05/2018
First Spouse JQ4 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - EISENHWR 2102 02/05/2018
First Spouse 16SC 2016 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ - FORD 2471 02/05/2018
First Spouse 16SA 2016 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ - NIXON 2646 02/05/2018
First Spouse JQ1 2015 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ - TRUMAN 2747 02/05/2018
First Spouse 16SE 2016 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ - REAGAN 3548 02/05/2018
The tables posted on January 30 will continue to be updated with any new data from the mint's weekly reports.