@STEWARTBLAYNUMIS said:
Does a Numismatist think there is a difference between a proof 69 and a proof 70
2016 Lincoln cent ? I can’t tell the difference.
A Numismatic purist wouldn't care one whit, while a more practical and pragmatic Numismatist would respond "Maybe".
You, sir, may not be a numismatist. So I removed my initial "disagree" with your post."
Nevertheless, I do disagree. AFAIK, Numismatics is the study of...
Therefore, IMO, that includes the entire ball of wax! Somewhere in that "ball" the difference between grades is studied by people who are actually professional numismatists.
@STEWARTBLAYNUMIS said:
Does a Numismatist think there is a difference between a proof 69 and a proof 70
2016 Lincoln cent ? I can’t tell the difference.
I'm Shocked to read this. Truly I am. Ah, ah... Please say it is not so. PM me and I'll teach you how easy it is.
In fact, IMO the 69/70 line is the least difficult to teach/learn in the entire grading system.
In my opinion all grades are equally easy to differentiate.
All you have to do is read the insert
Q: When does a collector become a numismatist?
A: The year they spend more on their library than their coin collection.
A numismatist is judged more on the content of their library than the content of their cabinet.
being a numismatist doesn't mean you are an expert. anyone that collects coins and knows something about them (the history, condition, etc) qualifies by definition.
There are many numismatists on these forums who I appreciate as they help make the discussions here more interesting. I'm simply here to learn and have fun. For me, part of that is also collecting tokens from numismatists. Here's one I picked up recently from @indeetlib, who happens to take great photos!
Well, one can put the term "numismatist" in a food processor and slice, dice, chop, blend and puree as much as one wishes --- and all that will come out is mush.
Maybe that means: enjoy the experience and let others worry about giving practitioners a title.
@Zoins said:
There are many numismatists on these forums who I appreciate as they help make the discussions here more interesting. I'm simply here to learn and have fun. For me, part of that is also collecting tokens from numismatists. Here's one I picked up recently from @indeetlib, who happens to take great photos!
@STEWARTBLAYNUMIS said:
Does a Numismatist think there is a difference between a proof 69 and a proof 70
2016 Lincoln cent ? I can’t tell the difference.
@Zoins said:
There are many numismatists on these forums who I appreciate as they help make the discussions here more interesting. I'm simply here to learn and have fun. For me, part of that is also collecting tokens from numismatists. Here's one I picked up recently from @indeetlib, who happens to take great photos!
Who made the dies?
The dies were made by Ron Landis of the Gallery Mint Museum. Ron hand engraves his dies like in the old days and is one of the few that still do so. Both Ron and the Gallery Mint have a nice following so there's actually some great information on this piece from Verne R. Walrafen who I consider to be a numismatist and was behind the GMMNut website. Here's the article on this token from the website which discusses dies used for these pieces (unfortunately, the website is currently down). I only have this one, so to get a full set, I'd need to pick up proof copper, silver and brass versions.
I'd say, like many things, it's a matter of degrees...And maybe who you are with at the time.
In this forum, it would be terribly impetuous for me to claim the status "numismatist".
In my office, I am THE numismatist, simply because I can name that US coin on sight, and recite the years it was made, (give or take a year or two....)
I think it's impossible to not be somewhere on the "path" of being a numismatist if you are even a semi-serious collector. Even if it's only the ability to recite the US Mint products that will be released next year....
@steveben said:
being a numismatist doesn't mean you are an expert. anyone that collects coins and knows something about them (the history, condition, etc) qualifies by definition.
Exactly. If you are asking questions and learning about different aspects of coins, you are a numismatist. It doesn't say what level numismatist you are. Novice or Expert....or anywhere in-between. The learning process never ends. We all agree the terms collector and numismatist are different. These terms should be graded like the coins themselves!
@TommyType said:
I think it's impossible to not be somewhere on the "path" of being a numismatist if you are even a semi-serious collector. Even if it's only the ability to recite the US Mint products that will be released next year....
I agree with the first part, but as to the second part, I think many people may be disqualified if reciting US Mint products was the standard!
I think it's impossible to not be somewhere on the "path" of being a numismatist if you are even a semi-serious collector. Even if it's only the ability to recite the US Mint products that will be released next year....
Ah, Enlightenment as a pathway, not a destination. Not bad, not bad.
@STEWARTBLAYNUMIS said:
Does a Numismatist think there is a difference between a proof 69 and a proof 70
2016 Lincoln cent ? I can’t tell the difference.
Of course there is, one is an artificially rare holder.
For the most part, I collect the books about most coins I could never afford. I buy coins and sell them, the remainder I collect. Books are not usually sold. Don't know what you would call it, but I call it fun.
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
Well, i'm know as the "coin guy" in my circle of friends and family and clients.. But I would not consider myself a numismatist. I do however know a little but about a lot of coins and collectables, antiques etc... I'm a mile long and an inch deep. Some guys on here are inch long and mile deep!
Nope. Chat room weenie is my given title. I’m waiting for permission to call myself a dealer as well.. apparently there are all sorts of rules before you can call yourself that too besides just someone who deals in coins. The finish line for all these titles seems like a waste of energy so I’ll just keep playing with coins.
All CoinsRule- you have a very good eye in determining a coin that is over graded or under graded. You know coins in scarce grades and you know when to buy and sell coins. You have also been around many years. I think you are OK
@STEWARTBLAYNUMIS said:
The history of money
How it is made and the nuances
IMO it is NOT what the mint is selling in the
21st century
FWIW, I'm generally not a fan of ANYTHING the Mint has EVER sold. Not that I don't like gem proof 19th century gold, and not that there aren't some exceptions to the rule. But if the Mint sold it to collectors as a collectible, it's not as pure a historical artifact as something that was made to circulate. Naturally, others may feel differently.
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
@STEWARTBLAYNUMIS said:
The history of money
How it is made and the nuances
IMO it is NOT what the mint is selling in the
21st century
FWIW, I'm generally not a fan of ANYTHING the Mint has EVER sold. Not that I don't like gem proof 19th century gold, and not that there aren't some exceptions to the rule. But if the Mint sold it to collectors as a collectible, it's not as pure a historical artifact as something that was made to circulate. Naturally, others may feel differently.
The longer I have been on these boards, the more I have learned, the more I realize how little I know.
It sure is nice, though, to have access to so many true numismatists.
You are a numismatist when you can spell it, pronounce it correctly and use it in a sentence. If you want get with hot girls you will deny you even know what an obverse is
m
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I get the magazine in the 'The Numistmatist' mail and I do read it, sometimes all the way through...does that count? I am not a hard core Numismatist but am interested in the history of money...which lead me to coin collecting etc.
I collect So-Called Dollars and coins. My wife no longer sneers when I get a new SCD.
Should someone call me a numismatist...I'd probably smile.
It's my hobby.
I've been reading, studying and collecting US coins for decades now but I'm continually amazed at how much I don't know about the hobby. However I'd still consider myself a numismatist.
Not me. I think of a Numismatist as someone who studies coins, their history, the minting process, and shares their knowledge widely through writing, publishing and/or teaching. I'm a collector and am selfish with my time.
Comments
You, sir, may not be a numismatist. So I removed my initial "disagree" with your post."
Nevertheless, I do disagree. AFAIK, Numismatics is the study of...
Therefore, IMO, that includes the entire ball of wax! Somewhere in that "ball" the difference between grades is studied by people who are actually professional numismatists.
PS @STEWARTBLAYNUMIS
Care to comment on the new discussion I starter about the difference between "69" and "70."
Nope not me not even close
In my opinion all grades are equally easy to differentiate.
All you have to do is read the insert
A: The year they spend more on their library than their coin collection.
A numismatist is judged more on the content of their library than the content of their cabinet.
being a numismatist doesn't mean you are an expert. anyone that collects coins and knows something about them (the history, condition, etc) qualifies by definition.
There are many numismatists on these forums who I appreciate as they help make the discussions here more interesting. I'm simply here to learn and have fun. For me, part of that is also collecting tokens from numismatists. Here's one I picked up recently from @indeetlib, who happens to take great photos!
I believe so.
Well, one can put the term "numismatist" in a food processor and slice, dice, chop, blend and puree as much as one wishes --- and all that will come out is mush.
Maybe that means: enjoy the experience and let others worry about giving practitioners a title.
Who made the dies?
Some can, some can't.
Some care, Some don't.
The dies were made by Ron Landis of the Gallery Mint Museum. Ron hand engraves his dies like in the old days and is one of the few that still do so. Both Ron and the Gallery Mint have a nice following so there's actually some great information on this piece from Verne R. Walrafen who I consider to be a numismatist and was behind the GMMNut website. Here's the article on this token from the website which discusses dies used for these pieces (unfortunately, the website is currently down). I only have this one, so to get a full set, I'd need to pick up proof copper, silver and brass versions.
I'd say, like many things, it's a matter of degrees...And maybe who you are with at the time.
In this forum, it would be terribly impetuous for me to claim the status "numismatist".
In my office, I am THE numismatist, simply because I can name that US coin on sight, and recite the years it was made, (give or take a year or two....)
I think it's impossible to not be somewhere on the "path" of being a numismatist if you are even a semi-serious collector. Even if it's only the ability to recite the US Mint products that will be released next year....
Exactly. If you are asking questions and learning about different aspects of coins, you are a numismatist. It doesn't say what level numismatist you are. Novice or Expert....or anywhere in-between. The learning process never ends. We all agree the terms collector and numismatist are different. These terms should be graded like the coins themselves!
I agree with the first part, but as to the second part, I think many people may be disqualified if reciting US Mint products was the standard!
Ah, Enlightenment as a pathway, not a destination. Not bad, not bad.
http://www.theemotionmachine.com/wisdom-in-ignorance-knowing-what-you-dont-know/
20 so far, including me!
IMO the difference between a proof 69 and a proof 70 modern 2016 Lincoln cent is
The proof 69 is not worth the grading cost
The proof 70 is not worth the asking price
Nope, But I am a Specialist in MY Series...........
Enjoy Tom
https://pcgs.com/SetRegistry/quarters/washington-quarters-specialty-sets/washington-quarters-complete-variety-set-circulation-strikes-1932-1964/publishedset/78469
I used to be famous now I just collect coins.
Link to My Registry Set.
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-specialty-sets/washington-quarters-complete-variety-set-circulation-strikes-1932-1964/publishedset/78469
Varieties Are The Spice Of LIFE and Thanks to Those who teach us what to search For.
Of course there is, one is an artificially rare holder.
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
For the most part, I collect the books about most coins I could never afford. I buy coins and sell them, the remainder I collect. Books are not usually sold. Don't know what you would call it, but I call it fun.
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
Well, i'm know as the "coin guy" in my circle of friends and family and clients.. But I would not consider myself a numismatist. I do however know a little but about a lot of coins and collectables, antiques etc... I'm a mile long and an inch deep. Some guys on here are inch long and mile deep!
coin collector here
Amatuer only.
Nope. Chat room weenie is my given title. I’m waiting for permission to call myself a dealer as well.. apparently there are all sorts of rules before you can call yourself that too besides just someone who deals in coins. The finish line for all these titles seems like a waste of energy so I’ll just keep playing with coins.
My Ebay Store
Ha, ha, ha, that's a good one. I myself have been known to use humor to cover my deficiencies.
All CoinsRule- you have a very good eye in determining a coin that is over graded or under graded. You know coins in scarce grades and you know when to buy and sell coins. You have also been around many years. I think you are OK
FWIW, I'm generally not a fan of ANYTHING the Mint has EVER sold. Not that I don't like gem proof 19th century gold, and not that there aren't some exceptions to the rule. But if the Mint sold it to collectors as a collectible, it's not as pure a historical artifact as something that was made to circulate. Naturally, others may feel differently.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
I’d like to think of myself as one. But I am always learning, improving and evolving. I have a great appreciation for the art, history and rarity.
Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍
My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):
https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/
Couldn’t have said it better my self
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
The longer I have been on these boards, the more I have learned, the more I realize how little I know.
It sure is nice, though, to have access to so many true numismatists.
You are a numismatist when you can spell it, pronounce it correctly and use it in a sentence. If you want get with hot girls you will deny you even know what an obverse is
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I get the magazine in the 'The Numistmatist' mail and I do read it, sometimes all the way through...does that count? I am not a hard core Numismatist but am interested in the history of money...which lead me to coin collecting etc.
K
I consider myself a medium- level numismatist. More of one than some, less of one than others.
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
In the very narrow field of modern major error coins, I do OK.
I do not know all the intricate details of older type coins. I think I do know how to grade.
Senior' Numismatist
Coin's for sale/trade.
Tom Pilitowski
US Rare Coin Investments
800-624-1870
I collect So-Called Dollars and coins. My wife no longer sneers when I get a new SCD.
Should someone call me a numismatist...I'd probably smile.
It's my hobby.
Aspiring numismatist, yes.
Gonna get me a $50 Octagonal someday. Some. Day.
I'll bet she has great handbags.
Lance.
I guess so........I'm really not filled with hot air........so DON'T call me a pneumismatist.
Pete
I've been reading, studying and collecting US coins for decades now but I'm continually amazed at how much I don't know about the hobby. However I'd still consider myself a numismatist.
Not me. I think of a Numismatist as someone who studies coins, their history, the minting process, and shares their knowledge widely through writing, publishing and/or teaching. I'm a collector and am selfish with my time.
I know my way around Buffalo Nickels as this is my primary series.
Moi.
Fan of the Oxford Comma
CCAC Representative of the General Public
2021 Young Numismatist of the Year