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Adding VAM designation to certification (1921 P$1 VAM 1H)
ChrisH821
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I just picked up this unattributed VAM 1H, what is the best way to get the designation added to the cert?
Also there doesn't seem to be much price info on these, I see one 63 on heritage that sold pretty high and a current 64 for sale on ebay for about $1500 with a bunch of watchers but no buyer, any idea what a realistic value is on these?
Here are the pics, sorry some are a little out of focus but they get the job done.
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PM @messydesk he can help you out.
Submit to PCGS, selecting "Reholder" AND "Other" in the Service Level section and hand write Quarterly Special on the Other line. Below, on the item line, indicate the Variety claimed and also check the box for Variety Attribution. Indicate the cert. number of current holder (last seven or eight digits depending on generation of holder). The current Quarterly Special for Collector's Club members is half price on Variety Attributions, or $9 per coin (+ $12 for reholder)
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The thing is, they don't attribute that variety. PM me if you're interested in an alternative.
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I guess I coulda looked at the PCGS Vams list before typing furiously.
Go VSS ! or maybe ANACS ?
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Thanks for the info on that!
It's in the price guide though, coin 518800.
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If it is in the price guide with a PCGS coin number assigned to the specific VAM, then they should attribute it on the holder.
It appears that many varieties attributable by PCGS are not conspicuously advertised. I just went through the same situation with a 1865 2¢ DDO that is listed in CPG 6th Ed. Vol.1, which is not designated as a resource yet on the variety attribution guide page. Another forum member pointed out that it does have a PCGS coin number assigned to the variety.
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"The way I see it, PCGS ignores these types of "varieties" for obvious reasons.
Polishing lines qualify for a variety....... sure, sounds reasonable and not a stretch at all."
Obviously PCGS has not ignored the variety, since they have assigned it a coin number. And since Leroy Van Allen assigned the VAM number initially, they have little reason to ignore it.
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The significance of these die polishing lines is not the fact that they are "just there". The die characteristics of VAM 1H directly link a coin to the dies that were used to strike just a very small handfull of proofs before being retired to business strike use. If you don't think that is cool then I guess there is no convincing you otherwise.
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Obviously CAMC, you have the viewpoint that your enjoyment of the hobby is more important than anyone else's. How about considering the adage "Live and let live" I suspect that if John Roberts of ANACS or Ryan Moretti of PCGS or even Leroy Van Allen were to witness your remarks here, they would simply do a firm face palm and sigh.
And furthermore, messydesk and I agreed via PM discussion that the updating of such variety listings at PCGS is a work in progress that may not have high priority, but it is going to continue to advance whether you care about it or not.
Who appointed you as judge of what constitutes a serious numismatist ?
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So basically you just came in here to trash on VAM collectors, that's fine.
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Here are the varieties that PCGS recognizes and will attribute;
1921 $1 VAM 1A Rev Field Break Peace
1921 $1 VAM 1F Polishing Lines Peace
1921 $1 VAM 1H Polishing Lines Peace
1921 $1 Peace VAM 3 Line Thru L
http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/7356
specifically,
http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/518800
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CAMC you still haven't answered my question. Just more deflection.
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Apparently you are missing the part where it says "SATIN PROOF DIES", that is the importance here, not just die polish lines. Take you belittling comments and insults out of here. I'll also point out that it is in the Elite 30 VAM registry set, take a look, apparently someone thinks it's a pretty big deal.
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@CoinsAndMoreCoins, the very root and heart of VAMming is not to just list "cool" varieties but to catalogue every known die pairing. And we do that by using unique die markers to identify the dies used. A vast majority of them are mundane with small feature that are inconsequential in the grand scheme of things aside the fact that they identify which dies were used to strike a specific coin. That's VAMming. Some do have way cool clashes or gouges or naked eye features that make them highly desirable but most features are miniscule and only used to identify the dies. That's what a vam is, an identified die pairing. Then you have dlfearuees that develop in a dies life that are pronounced and require an advanced listing of a known die pair.
It's quite simple and fun. You seem to have some vendetta against VAMming. If you don't like it that's fine. But please lay off of demeaning them and those that study or collect them. Thanks
Dies used for 1921 Proof Peace dollars were not given any special treatment....They were merely used in a medal press for a few impressions. Some were then sandblasted; others were not (and are called 'satin').
And then someone pointed out to me that there was a coin number for it, so I will stand corrected. They must have decided there was demand for it and it wasn't difficult to attribute.
Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars
Meanwhile, you'll just troll message boards. Got it.
Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars
If the topic is such a drag on your superior mindset of the hobby, why are you devoting so much time and bloviating to this thread ? Obviously you're just a very unhappy soul that finds self gratification in being a nattering nabob of negativity.
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This thread was never about whether the VAM 1H a proof and no, it is not. It was simply about how to get the attribution added to the cert and that was answered thoroughly by @coindeuce .
We all have opinions and at this point we are just beating a dead horse, can't we just let this die?
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ChrisH821, most of us proponents of VAM collecting in this thread realize what CAMC's posts are about. They're nothing more than a thinly veiled bashing of our host. The guy is lone wolf. Let him keep howling at the moon.
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CAMC, obviously your desperate mission to hijack the OP's thread is all that is necessary to see through you. At the very least, totally offensive netiquette. The OP's question was answered within the first few responses, yet you felt obsessed with hijacking the topic with your
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.> @CoinsAndMoreCoins said:
If the question is about the coin pictured in the first post, it is not a proof.
The OP never made any inference that his coin is a Proof. So the thread hijacker's question is totally irrelevant. PCGS has a coin number assigned to this minor variety, which was derived from Leroy Van Allen's confirmation. The OP got his question answered in this regard, so everything beyond that was off topic and undeserved.
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The answer to whether VAM 1H is a proof or not is in your own post.