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I saw an ad recently where a well known coin dealer states.........

MWallaceMWallace Posts: 4,358 ✭✭✭✭✭
"Common in high grade since these were released the second time by the Treasury in 1933."



In over 50 years of collecting I've NEVER heard this. Is it true?

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  • OldEastsideOldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That would be News to me...........link ??

    Steve
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  • bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Haven't heard this either. They ARE common in high grades. Would this explain it?
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,810 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have never heard that story. Send me the dealer's name via private message. If I know him I will ask him the source.
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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The 1950-d nickels of their time....though for different reasons.
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  • MWallaceMWallace Posts: 4,358 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have never heard that story. Send me the dealer's name via private message. If I know him I will ask him the source.




    PM with scans of the ad sent.
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    News to me as well. Would be very interesting if confirmed.
  • MWallaceMWallace Posts: 4,358 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have never heard that story. Send me the dealer's name via private message. If I know him I will ask him the source. PM with scans of the ad sent.




    I sent CaptHenway the info. He knows the dealer and will ask him about it. Presumably he will report what he finds out here.
  • MWallaceMWallace Posts: 4,358 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Tom sent a PM to me concerning this subject. He will be posting about it sometime today.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,810 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have spoken with the dealer whose ad this appeared in, an old acquaintance and an honest man.



    He was sure that he had read it somewhere, but could not find any specific reference in his files to a Treasury release in 1933. He did promise to keep looking, and to let me know if he finds the reference.



    It is a known fact that during the Great Depression many households were forced to spend old coins that had been put away by the family over the years, simply to survive. I even wrote a story about this phenomenon in COINage in (IIRC) Sept. of 2014. Because the 1883 No Cents nickel had been widely hoarded in 1883 and following, there must have been a lot of them in non-numismatic hoards.



    Much of this old coinage got gleaned out of circulation. In calendar year 1935, the Treasury redeemed 32 half cents, 24,536 large cents, 16,277 two cents, 12,149 three cent nickels, and 8,191 half dimes. The number of five cent nickels redeemed was huge, and since it is not broken down by type it is impossible to say how many of them were specifically 1883 No Cents Liberty Nickels, but there must have been a lot of them in there, so that for a while they could be found in circulation.



    Perhaps, and this is sheer speculation on my part, there were so many of them around that somebody on the scene in 1933 thought that the Treasury must have re-released them, and published this mis-information someplace. The Treasury was actually removing them from circulation as they came in, but many people never let the facts get in the way of a good story.



    TD
    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • MWallaceMWallace Posts: 4,358 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That makes sense. Thank you.
  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,614 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That is some cool info CaptHenway! Hard times bring about hard choices.
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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,424 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I spoke to a dealer who has been active in the business since the 60's. He seemed quite sure that the Treasury released large quantities of uncirculated 1883 No Cents nickels in the 1950's. He also mentioned that at the same time, large quantities of Columbian Half Dollars and Washington Carvers were released. (He did not mention BTWs, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were some of those as well.)

    As for the nickels, it makes sense that the coins would have been held back in 1883, once the decision was made to change the design. And it also makes sense that if the Treasury was willing to release silver dollars in the 60's, they would have also been quick to get rid of their other obsolete coinage, apparently a decade earlier.
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  • SaorAlbaSaorAlba Posts: 7,593 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: CaptHenway



    Much of this old coinage got gleaned out of circulation. In calendar year 1935, the Treasury redeemed 32 half cents, 24,536 large cents, 16,277 two cents, 12,149 three cent nickels, and 8,191 half dimes. The number of five cent nickels redeemed was huge, and since it is not broken down by type it is impossible to say how many of them were specifically 1883 No Cents Liberty Nickels, but there must have been a lot of them in there, so that for a while they could be found in circulation.



    TD




    My grandmother was about 9-10 years old during the depression and one of her interesting numismatic stories was somehow getting a Flying Eagle cent in change somewhere and turning around and spending it on penny candy because it was money and there wasn't much of it.

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  • TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cool story. Thanks for story, the information ..... and for the fact-checking....

    Tom

  • hchcoinhchcoin Posts: 4,837 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very interesting read. Thanks for the information.

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