The New Doily Census - 2016 -- Updated March 22, 2026

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  • hle04
    hle04 Posts: 53 ✭
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    PM sent
  • Sandman70gt
    Sandman70gt Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Grandpappy must have sent these in together and broke em out of the vault...

    1937 merc dime cert 6244858

    1946s walker cert 6244859

    1886 morgan cert 6244860

    Ebay, I bid, but no wins :'-(

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  • mrkbrown87
    mrkbrown87 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: FadeToBlack
    Just noticed my '38-S Merc in this image isn't in here.

    http://i.imgur.com/gyZCXCZ.jpg

    The other is.

    38-S 65FB - 8181963


    Looks like a 1944 also in the grouo
    Mark Brown

    Hoard the keys
  • Collector1960
    Collector1960 Posts: 7 ✭
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    So I decided to check the adjacent serial numbers to my Walker that is listed as a Cleveland half in the PCGS database and S/N9142454 thru 9142464 are all 1947-D walkers with the lone exception of mine. Not sure if this means anything but certainly adds to the mystery. All were either MS64 or MS65's Wow, there may be 10 other 1947-D Doily Walkers out there!!!!
  • Lakesammman
    Lakesammman Posts: 17,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Wow - that IS interesting!
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  • Lakesammman
    Lakesammman Posts: 17,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Updated the census this AM - 8 added since last month to include those reported here and my observations on eBay/elsewhere.
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  • hle04
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    Two more doilies of which I have seen the images

    1885 CC 64 Morgan Dollar CAC #7344192 sold by Island Point Collectables last year. First 1885 CC on census

    1922 63 Peace Dollar #7306555 sold by David Lawrence about 4 years ago

    Howard
  • Lakesammman
    Lakesammman Posts: 17,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Cool. image
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  • panexpoguy
    panexpoguy Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I apologize if these questions were asked and answered in the previous thread. I think this is a great idea and will contribute any info that I find. My current doilies are all listed. Two questions.

    1. Is someone regularly going through the cert verification at PCGS to determine whether or not these certs still exist? In other words, do we know if they have since been cracked out?

    2. Along the same line, are the certs reported from auctions seen in the recent and not so recent past being checked in the PCGS db prior to being added?

    I can check numbers to assist if this has not been done. Perhaps any that were verified at the time and are now missing could be described as deceased? lol
  • hle04
    hle04 Posts: 53 ✭
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    Great points. Every doily that I provide for the census is checked in the PCGS Cert Verification Search engine. In addition, I won't post a cert # for the census unless I have seen an image of it
  • Lakesammman
    Lakesammman Posts: 17,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Great idea, if you have the time. It would help with crackouts but not so much for reholders.



    It would put the rarity of a Doily in a better perspective.



    I've always been concerned about unverified reportings but have decided to trust the forum members. image
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  • panexpoguy
    panexpoguy Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I ran all of the numbers and the following are no longer in the database and presumed cracked out:

    8201234 1c Braided Hair
    9142567 1c Bronze L
    6246286 Half Dime
    4017081 and 4017074 Bust 50c Lettered Edge
    8182491,8179513 and 8182491 1881 CC Morgan
    5112206 1881 S Morgan
    7306721 1882 CC Morgan
    8179160 1883 CC Morgan
    8182314 1923 Peace
    6242928 $3 Gold
    5127210 $5 Gold Indian
    3129977 $10 Indian wire rim
    6242931 $20 St Gaudens
    7306439 Pan Pac 50c
  • Lakesammman
    Lakesammman Posts: 17,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    You ran all of the numbers - WOW! Was it 1 by 1 or is there a faster way??



    Thanks! image
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  • Lakesammman
    Lakesammman Posts: 17,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    So, if I enter 8201243 and it comes up 08201243, is there any way of knowing if it's still a Doily or if it's been reholdered??



    When I enter current Doilies I own, there's a 0 added at the front of the serial number......
    Gone but not forgotten: IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal, CoinsAreFun.
  • panexpoguy
    panexpoguy Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I ran them individually. There may have been a better way unknown to me. There is no way to know if any of these have been reholdered since having been discovered, but given the desirability of the holder to many, and the pattern I saw running the numbers, there has to be a significant upside potential from an upgrade to initiate a crack out. Lower end coins are the biggest pops but the lowest crack outs.
  • BAJJERFAN
    BAJJERFAN Posts: 31,659 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: panexpoguy

    I ran them individually. There may have been a better way unknown to me. There is no way to know if any of these have been reholdered since having been discovered, but given the desirability of the holder to many, and the pattern I saw running the numbers, there has to be a significant upside potential from an upgrade to initiate a crack out. Lower end coins are the biggest pops but the lowest crack outs.





    When it comes to cracking, a lot of people couldn't care less about it being in a doily.
    theknowitalltroll;
  • Lakesammman
    Lakesammman Posts: 17,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Sounds good - when I double check before deleting, if they come up with a 0 added, I'll have to assume they are still in Doily holders until proven otherwise.



    Thanks!
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  • BAJJERFAN
    BAJJERFAN Posts: 31,659 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: Lakesammman

    So, if I enter 8201243 and it comes up 08201243, is there any way of knowing if it's still a Doily or if it's been reholdered??



    When I enter current Doilies I own, there's a 0 added at the front of the serial number......




    To be compatible with the current system of 8 digit cert numbers, the system probably automatically inserts a 0 in front of 7 digit cert numbers.
    theknowitalltroll;
  • BAJJERFAN
    BAJJERFAN Posts: 31,659 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: panexpoguy

    I ran them individually. There may have been a better way unknown to me. There is no way to know if any of these have been reholdered since having been discovered, but given the desirability of the holder to many, and the pattern I saw running the numbers, there has to be a significant upside potential from an upgrade to initiate a crack out. Lower end coins are the biggest pops but the lowest crack outs.





    When you ran the cert numbers, about how many [if any] had pics associated with them?
    theknowitalltroll;
  • hle04
    hle04 Posts: 53 ✭
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    I own 2 doilies. When you run the cert in the pcgs data base you can then click on my set registry inventory and see the pics

    8190754 $1 1882 cc 63 dmpl cac- image taken before submitted to cac

    7303367$1 1921 Morgan 63
  • panexpoguy
    panexpoguy Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Not one had a picture, so less likely to have been cracked.
  • U1chicago
    U1chicago Posts: 6,993 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Here is one that is not listed yet:



    Cert #: 6248354



    Boone Commem
  • hle04
    hle04 Posts: 53 ✭
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    Another doily to add to census. Viewed image and checked in data base

    1925 Peace $1 MS65 #6241934
  • hle04
    hle04 Posts: 53 ✭
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    I was contemplating buying buffalo nickel #5107426. It is a 1936. Listed on census as 1936-S. #5107427 is a 1936-S.

    Howard
  • hle04
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    Rainy day research yields four more doilies. All checked in data base and viewed image

    1922 $20 Gold MS60 #7345015

    1853-O $20 Gold VF20 # 6239119 - Heritage Auction in 2001

    1890 1C PR65 RB #8205435

    1880-S $1 MS65 PL #8205937
  • panexpoguy
    panexpoguy Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Here are two more:

    5110825 1887 Morgan
    6218916 1885 O Morgan

  • Lakesammman
    Lakesammman Posts: 17,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Have added Doilies posted to date in my spreadsheet which will be updated here at the end of each month. image
    Gone but not forgotten: IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal, CoinsAreFun.
  • Sandman70gt
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    Only saw one doily at the PNNA show in Portland today, not in census...1884 Morgan ms63 8191700.

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  • hle04
    hle04 Posts: 53 ✭
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    I finally got my PCGS Doily sample 1964-D 10C. Since they are all Cert # 7000023, there is no accurate census. I think I remember seeing in the old census maybe an accounting of around 13. Any ideas of how many have been accounted for?
  • Lakesammman
    Lakesammman Posts: 17,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    If I had to make a WAG, I'd say 150 or so. Most are 64-D, the minority other dates.



    When I sell them on eBay, they bring $125 or so. When others sell them, $200. image
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  • hle04
    hle04 Posts: 53 ✭
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    Thanks. I did pay $200, but only because I had ebay bucks to use up of all most that full amount
  • robkool
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    I currently got these two doilies you can add to the census…

    1938 P Mercury 10c 7305389

    And this one that needs to be updated… It's listed, but with no cert.

    1954 P Franklin 50c 8192030
    Ebay items for sale Current BIN's / The Kingdom Collection
  • Lakesammman
    Lakesammman Posts: 17,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    robkool:



    Thanks - that Franky has been driving me NUTS. image
    Gone but not forgotten: IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal, CoinsAreFun.
  • robkool
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    No worries there Lakesammman… It's all KOOL !!!image
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  • mt_msla
    mt_msla Posts: 815 ✭✭✭✭
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    Has anyone ever seen an old rattler holder with a doily label. I've got one I'm currently looking at. The coin is already overpriced ... but it's the combination of the label and holder I'm wondering about!! Any help please?

    Insert witicism here. [ xxx ]

  • Lakesammman
    Lakesammman Posts: 17,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Once the outer ring comes off, it looks like a rattler.

    Is there a barcode on the label?

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  • mt_msla
    mt_msla Posts: 815 ✭✭✭✭
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    Yes there is a barcode

    Insert witicism here. [ xxx ]

  • Lakesammman
    Lakesammman Posts: 17,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 21, 2016 3:11PM
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    Then it's a Doily with the outer ring missing, either intentionally or accidentally, like this one.

    Gone but not forgotten: IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal, CoinsAreFun.
  • mt_msla
    mt_msla Posts: 815 ✭✭✭✭
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    Excellent! I nearly made an expensive mistake! You have my thanks!!

    Insert witicism here. [ xxx ]

  • Lakesammman
    Lakesammman Posts: 17,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    :+1:

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  • panexpoguy
    panexpoguy Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    8185672 1885 O
    8178616 1963 Franklin Proof

  • Lakesammman
    Lakesammman Posts: 17,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Check. :+1:

    Will post the updated spreadsheet at the end of the month.

    Gone but not forgotten: IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal, CoinsAreFun.
  • CascadeChris
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    8187403

    1887p Morgan ms64
    The more you VAM..
  • panexpoguy
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    5107988 1899 O Morgan
    6245275 1910 D $10 Indian

  • Sandman70gt
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    8187875 1956 franky PR67

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  • Lakesammman
    Lakesammman Posts: 17,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Still learning the new forum format - I think the census has been updated..... :lol:

    Gone but not forgotten: IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal, CoinsAreFun.
  • DRUNNER
    DRUNNER Posts: 3,946 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Great stuff . . thanks for the work!

    Drunner

  • asheland
    asheland Posts: 24,545 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Thanks for the effort. :)

    My YouTube Channel

  • Collector1960
    Collector1960 Posts: 7 ✭
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    Thanks Lakesammman, it is appreciated.....

  • BigBaz
    BigBaz Posts: 10 ✭
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    Hey guys....I just signed up on the forum the other day. I have a 1881 S Morgan MS67 cert #8200792. I believe this may be the highest graded Morgan in the old doily holder.

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