AT Morgan in pcgs slab?
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Not only does it look AT to me, but it is not attractive in the least bit.
So my question is do you agree? And is this a case of a coin being "gassed?" ("Toned" after slabbed?)
Edited to add: It is currently in an auction so I don't want to divulge about where (and if you already know, if we could be respectful and not mention where)
So my question is do you agree? And is this a case of a coin being "gassed?" ("Toned" after slabbed?)
Edited to add: It is currently in an auction so I don't want to divulge about where (and if you already know, if we could be respectful and not mention where)
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Probably NT. Looks neat and unusual. Probably not another one like it. And should fetch a very strong price too. Tougher date in gem.
I agree that it's rather ugly, however, I find it sort of "cool-ugly", rather than just "plain old ugly".
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If you wanted to be respectful, you could have waited until the auction was over. Wouldn't be too hard to figure out which auction it is in.
Probably NT. And should fetch a very strong price too.
Well the general consensus thus far is positive so we can probably relax.
With that said, does anyone have any photos of slabbed similars?
Now that one looks a whole lot better to me and I wouldn't do a double take.
The one I posted looks closer to those "ebay toned" varieties.
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It would be a fine candidate for dipping to restore it's natural beauty.
But we've all got our opinions
I have also heard that gassing in slab comes from the edges where the seal is not as tight.
How do you suspect those intricate lines where made by gassing? A fine pointed gas nozzle that was run over the slab, like a pencil drawing colors?
Ahh. But it does enhance. To me and many others it enhances a great deal. So unique and with such pop. Find me another like it. But I understand as per my above post that some don't see it that way. Toners are art and as such some pieces turn some on or turn some off and some everybody says "meh" to. This girl and like most similar end roll patterns are polarizing coins
To you that might be art and to you and many others it may be beautiful but to me its natural PMD. When I have to struggle through the colors to see the coin there is no beauty to the coin. You may as well get some silver slugs and wrap them in tissue paper and hope for similar art work that you can admire. Your certainly not admiring the morgan dollar in that photo.
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I love it. Looks like it is under graded.
Sorta hard to tell with all the camouflage.
Don't get me wrong guys I like toning when it enhances the beauty of the coin.
I don't collect toning I collect coins.
I love it. Looks like it is under graded.
Sorta hard to tell with all the camouflage.
Don't get me wrong guys I like toning when it enhances the beauty of the coin.
I don't collect toning I collect coins.
Toning, varieties, slabs, errors......we all collect different things. You like blast white or rim toned Morgans, they are boring to me. Love this coin
and would love to own a unique Morgan like this. Alas, I won't have the mountain of cash this coin will sell for.
Reading the responses, I agree with the NT crowd still.
Doesn't look like a pattern of gassing in a slab anyway.
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From what I've seen this year, CAC seems to shy away from stickering these "A" level - bag toners. I don't know if it's because they often have a few too many marks (ie over-compensated for high eye appeal) or don't want to get too deep into the NT/AT decision on these. On top of that, the toning premiums are so strong, that CAC could never hope to buy them near their assigned grade levels.
I don't see the evidence that this is true. I believe every single coin in the Northern Lights collection has a CAC sticker and I think many of them were submitted recently (but that is a guess - someone correct me if I am mistaken). Legend deals heavily in these and the vast majority of their toned coins (as well as the rest of their inventory) is stickered.
Correct. Due to planchet prep methods nice vibrant color usually isn't seen until 83 and beyond typically. With some nice exceptions of coarse
Where are you getting that? There are tons of 79-S, 80-S, and 81-S monster toned coins. I can even think of 4 81-O coins with toning just like the one in the OP.
Correct. Due to planchet prep methods nice vibrant color usually isn't seen until 83 and beyond typically. With some nice exceptions of coarse
Where are you getting that? There are tons of 79-S, 80-S, and 81-S monster toned coins. I can even think of 4 81-O coins with toning just like the one in the OP.
Doh, I thought I read 82p not 82o. That wasn't meant as a blanket statement. Just Philly. It was mainly a Philly thing. And to a lesser extent New Orleans. San Fran did just about everything "right" in the early years. Philly though is tough to find with super nice color pre 83
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Correct. Due to planchet prep methods nice vibrant color usually isn't seen until 83 and beyond typically. With some nice exceptions of coarse
Where are you getting that? There are tons of 79-S, 80-S, and 81-S monster toned coins. I can even think of 4 81-O coins with toning just like the one in the OP.
Doh, I thought I read 82p not 82o. That wasn't meant as a blanket statement. Just Philly. It was mainly a Philly thing. And to a lesser extent New Orleans. San Fran did just about everything "right" in the early years. Philly though is tough to find with super nice color pre 83
Ok, that makes more sense. Can you elaborate on the change? From my experience, the dividing line is 1885, though. I've seen very few nice 83 or 84 Phillies. 85 is quite common and then 86 and 87 are prolific. Of course, 88 and after are more difficult again.
From what I've seen this year, CAC seems to shy away from stickering these "A" level - bag toners. I don't know if it's because they often have a few too many marks (ie over-compensated for high eye appeal) or don't want to get too deep into the NT/AT decision on these. On top of that, the toning premiums are so strong, that CAC could never hope to buy them near their assigned grade levels.
I don't see the evidence that this is true. I believe every single coin in the Northern Lights collection has a CAC sticker and I think many of them were submitted recently (but that is a guess - someone correct me if I am mistaken). Legend deals heavily in these and the vast majority of their toned coins (as well as the rest of their inventory) is stickered.
The "evidence" of what I'm using are GC auctions where dozens of nice toners show up every week, along with a couple killer ones. The bidders love them. And they don't seem too concerned when they aren't stickered (ie prices are still strong). About half or more of the really strong Morgan toners coming through seem to be unstickered. And it's not like there's a lot of downside risk to sticker an MS63/64 common date Morgan. The OP's coin is not stickered. It seems to be clean for a 65 and NT'd by most here.
GC completed auctions of "toned" silver dollars MS63-66 with at least 30 bids.
I'm not going to tabulate up 609 coins but on the first page of 50 it looks like only 8 of the most striking 30 toners are stickered. That covers the last month and a half. It is possible that some of these coins were never seen by CAC. But I would think the majority have been reviewed. Most of these coins start at $300-$400 and up. Those aren't "worth" a trip to the sticker factory? If you remove the 5 CAC'd coins from Dale Larson's consignment, we'd be talking only 3 coins out of 30....10%. Dale isn't exactly your average collector.
Here's a rattler MS65 with beautiful color and technical 65 surfaces - why not this one?
I'd grade it 66+/67 without even addressing the nice reverse color. It's not worth a sticker as a 65? No one here would pay the going MS65 rate of $130-$150 for that coin?
I raised the stakes and looked at all Morgan toners with 40+ bids and worth $500+. The best of the past 4 years. Of those 91 coins, 64% were stickered (58). But the numbers would have been closer to 50% if not for the Blaine/Larson collections and some other runs by the most astute toner collectors.
Correct. Due to planchet prep methods nice vibrant color usually isn't seen until 83 and beyond typically. With some nice exceptions of coarse
Where are you getting that? There are tons of 79-S, 80-S, and 81-S monster toned coins. I can even think of 4 81-O coins with toning just like the one in the OP.
Doh, I thought I read 82p not 82o. That wasn't meant as a blanket statement. Just Philly. It was mainly a Philly thing. And to a lesser extent New Orleans. San Fran did just about everything "right" in the early years. Philly though is tough to find with super nice color pre 83
Ok, that makes more sense. Can you elaborate on the change? From my experience, the dividing line is 1885, though. I've seen very few nice 83 or 84 Phillies. 85 is quite common and then 86 and 87 are prolific. Of course, 88 and after are more difficult again.
It came from 2 independent sources I read around a year ago. I think one was online and the other was in a printed book but I can't remember which book and can't find the online article again. Maybe one was referancing the other though. If I remember right they said it was most likely due to the planchet washing procedure. Honestly though my first thought was that post 82p/o had more treasury bags stored and released and as such more toners today.
I did find this article though. Read the last sentence under the 1882 paragraph...
http://www.nationalsilverdollarroundtable.org/philadelphia-minted-morgan-dollars-a-date-by-date-analysis/
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If you wanted to be respectful, you could have waited until the auction was over. Wouldn't be too hard to figure out which auction it is in.
Probably NT. Looks neat and unusual. Probably not another one like it. And should fetch a very strong price too. Tougher date in gem.
looks like a Great Collection photo am I right what did it hammer at? nice nt coin
The serious players will definitely pay the money for these.
To each his own and it looks as though there are many that will put their money where there mouth is.
4 bidders over $1700. 3 bidders to $2700. And then 2 pushing it up from there.
I put my bid in early at $251. Was high bidder for an hour and a half.
Sold for $3631 or approx 3X going MS65 rates
4 bidders over $1700. 3 bidders to $2700. And then 2 pushing it up from there.
I put my bid in early at $251. Was high bidder for an hour and a half.
Nice thanks, is anyone calling this an end of roll
It could be a....PENTAGRAM !!!
Sold for $3631 or approx 3X going MS65 rates
4 bidders over $1700. 3 bidders to $2700. And then 2 pushing it up from there.
I put my bid in early at $251. Was high bidder for an hour and a half.
Nice thanks, is anyone calling this an end of roll
Yes. Whether it actually was or was wrapped in a piece of paper or had a piece of paper laying on top of it in a drawer for a decade+ it would be classified as an end-roll toner and a very unique one at that hence the final bid
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It could be a....PENTAGRAM !!!
Have to say it can you tell me what causes pentagram toning