The New Doily Census - 2016 -- Updated March 22, 2026
Historically, the Doily was conceived so long ago that many of the principals at the time have slightly different recollections of slabbing duration, slabbing rate per day, and even the specifics of why the Doily came into being. This much we are sure of -- the Doily was a direct response to a potential counterfeiting threat of the Rattler (Green). PCGS undertook several security measures at the time. The first was the insert -- using the idea of a more complex background, similar to what appears on currency. The second was a sealed 'ring' around the Rattler holder, which of course created the dimensions currently known for all standard PCGS holders since that time. After a small amount of production time, it was determined the insert, while certainly enhancing security, did not provide the 'look' PCGS was seeking, and the Doily insert was changed to green (starting a series of 'OGH' holders, some of which are quite rare in their own right). That decision was made quite quickly, hence the overall rarity of the Doily in current numismatics. Although there are other aspects of the apocrypha, legends, and rumors surrounding the Doily, it is imperative we acknowledge that these are my personal observations after talking with PCGS principals and notable dealers, and much more detailed information will be forthcoming from Mr. Mike Sherman of PCGS, who, in time, will publish some slabbing history from PCGS itself.
The Doily Census reveals some interesting information beyond just the numbers. First, it shows the types of coins that were most often sent in for certification during a small slice of history. Morgan Dollars (especially in 65 and above) were popular and expensive, leading to a preponderance of that coin. The relative newness of certification in general led most people to not send in too many common coins (bullion, Kennedys, etc). Certification costs were just too high to slab common coins, and unless there was a profit incentive, many did not get sent in. The Census will also show those Doilies missing the outer ring. This phenomenon happened primarily as a result of impact, as in dropping on a cement bourse floor, which would crack off the security ring, sonically sealed together, but not sealed to the inner 'Rattler' section. The Doily remains, but it is sometimes confused as a different iteration due to the missing outer ring. The ultimate solution to this was the one-piece slab, which at the time was still several generations away.
As Doilies reappear from Gramp's safety deposit box, or the dusty back corner of a B & M shop of questionable cleanliness, we will have them added here. Feel free to post a picture if you are able, and if not, the coin type, date/MM combination, grade (and any grade modifiers -- PL, DMPL, etc.), and most importantly, the certification number. Since the beginnings of the Census, many intriguing coins have appeared, we have been able to gain a more complete picture of grading standards of the time, and attention has been paid to this growing aspect of certification, which revolutionized our hobby in 1986. Look forward to several other highlights to be added here in time.
Post away . . . let's keep the Census as accurate and up-to-date as possible! If you know of any holders that have been lost (recertification, destruction, etc.), inform us. If you have any questions at all, feel free to PM (Lakesammman or Drunner), or post. We'll be monitoring the thread routinely, and welcome all who have additions or questions. I will revise this first post with more Doily information, special or unique Doily coins, and any current sales or discoveries, and update history as it can be confirmed.
Remember our mantra . . . . . . . ." Collect the Plastic, NOT the coin!"
Drunner
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Here you go! Thanks Drunner for getting the ball rolling!
Welcome back Billet7 with a new handle (SimonW)! (See page 17).
Thanks to TheFinn for creating a spreadsheet and making it far more informative with the addition of grades, CAC status, etc., posted for the 1st time 7-3-18! TheFinn has obviously spent considerable time and effort on this project and it is very much appreciated!
Thanks to TomB for the most recent updates 10-20-25! The time and effort he has put into collecting all the data posted since the last update is MUCH appreciated!
It's a work in progress and I apologize for any minor cut and paste mistakes. Would love to post w/o cutting and pasting - if anyone knows how, please let me know.
Now updated through 10-20-25.

















What follows is from Billet7's original thread, revised as needed.
Interesting Facts:
Currently the most valuable coin on the Doily Census is a 1800 H10C LIBERTY, V-2, LM-3, R.4, MS66 PCGS CAC coin that sold for $111,650 in 2015. The second place coin was a $10 piece with Wire Rim MS63, auctioned at Heritage 2010 August Boston, MA Signature & Platinum Night ANA Coin Auction #1143 for $46,000, no longer in a Doily.
There is also a $20 1907 High Relief with Wire Rim that is certified as an MS62 Valued at $23,000.
The least valuable coin in a Doily holder is a proof Jefferson Nickel, 1964 PR65, valued at $4 by PCGS price guide.
Doily sample slabs seem to all have the same certification number, and they are all Roosevelt Dimes (so far.) The date range is 1958-1964.
The smallest coin on the census is an 1837 Half Dime submitted by Boiler78, then held by Lakesammman, now back in Boiler78's collection. Just about everyone else ties for the largest coin...a Morgan Dollar!
The earliest coin is a 1799 Draped bust dollar. The coin showed up on ebay then quickly made it's way to Coin Rarities Online...then on to some astute collector (I assume.) It was the only 18th century Doily until a VF35 1799 $1 appeared - no pictures of it available currently.
The most modern coin in a doily is a 1984 DDO Lincoln Cent, one of two error coins in the census, the other a 1972 DDO.
The most common coin type to be found in a doily holder is a Morgan Dollar.
The twenty cent piece is the only standard denomination not represented in the census (unless you include the $4 and $50 gold coins.)
Currently the largest collection (according to the census) of Doily holdered coins is BST member Drunner with Oreville, Bajjerfan and Silverchris as runners-up.
Esoteric items include a Mormon Gold $5 piece, and a 1868 large cent pattern.
There are 9 foreign coins listed, all Canadian.
Some Doily Holders are missing the outer-ring. It is rumored that many of the rings on these "damaged holders" were removed intentionally so that the doily holder would fit into the early "rattler style" boxes.
There is a curious sample slab that contains a "handcut" tag with rounded corners, the Doily design behind the coin/serial number instead of a white bar. This was discovered by Oreville, but more have surfaced on and off eBay, the number made estimated at around 10.
Gone but not forgotten: IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal, CoinsAreFun.9 -
Thank you for keeping this list updated!
This is a two cent piece from my personal collection that is not on your list.
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Cool... will have to check the list for the ones I have... will have about 15 of them or so in my case at the ANA Show this week... thought these were rare???

One thing I notice that's missing that used to be on the old thread is the running count of how many of these are known... was nice see the totals quickly. Good work in trying to keep this list as current as possible
Michael Kittle Rare Coins --- 1908-S Indian Head Cent Grading Set --- No. 1 1909 Mint Set --- Kittlecoins on Facebook --- Long Beach Table 700
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I just recently sold an 1879-S Morgan not in the census but only 2 digits different
8191952
I can post pictures when I get back from the ANA show
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Present and accounted for"Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso
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Here is a 1924 $20 Saint.
CoinsAreFun Pictorials Album FOR SALE SOME will mark final ones before auction
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CoinsAreFun Toned Silver Eagle Proof Album
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Gallery Mint Museum, Ron Landis& Joe Rust, The beginnings of the Golden Dollar
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More CoinsAreFun Pictorials NGC FOR SALE1 -
Would you want Sample Doilies as well? Probably not since the S/N are the same...or are they?
1964-D 10C MS64 5129.64/7000023oih82w8 = Oh I Hate To Wait _defectus patientia_aka...Dr. Defecto - Curator of RMO's
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Swampboy: Yours is there - it will take a while to get used to the new format.

Have added the other 3 - will be checking regularly and updating the screen shots every 2 weeks or so, less often if new Doilies are few and far between.
Samples are left off since serial numbers are all the same - no way to accurately know the pops as a result. BUT, if you have an odd date sample, would love to see it!
Gone but not forgotten: IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal, CoinsAreFun.0 -
The date? for the Oregon 3130707 on the list is 1937-D.
Here's an image:
Joseph J. Singleton - First Superintendent of the U.S. Branch Mint in Dahlonega Georgia
Findley Ridge Collection
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I consigned an 1838 SL 25c in a doily holder to HA.com's upcoming Sept 2016 Long Beach Signature Sale (PCGS cert #7344713.)0
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Here's my one and only:

The full cert number is 09142618.5 -
Originally posted by: BryceM
Here's my one and only:
The full cert number is 09142618.
wow, i sure do like the looks of this one. best wishes2 -






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Naaaawwww . . . not going to let you ersatz-numismatists push this thread down quite so fast . . . . . . . .
Let's see those Doilies! Let's hear it for the work that has been done to preserve slabbing history !!!!
Lakes has already updated the above additions . . . . let's BRING IT ON !!!!!!!!
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Wasn't planning on updating more often than every 2 weeks or so but there have been a lot of new coins posted. Updated today as of 8-8-16.Gone but not forgotten: IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal, CoinsAreFun.1
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Another hammer1 the stalker troll flagging for no legitimate reason.
"Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
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Hi all,
You already have most of mine listed. The other two I have are as follows: 1881 S 6220804 and 1886 P 8185351 (missing outer holder).
Cheers,
Surf
ps. It would be kinda cool if there were totals associated with the list as well (maybe just by type and a composite total?). Thanks!Dead people tell interesting tales.0 -
Can't get image to transfer at this time. 1882 cc 63 dmpl missing outer holder # 8190754. It is in my PCGS registery. Enter PCGS number into PCGS Verification and will take you to image. How many dmpl doily's are accounted for at this time?
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If posting new serial numbers, please let us know the denomination of the coin as well. I don't have the time to check every serial number at PCGS.
More than happy to add grades and other designations if people don't mind the "clutter" and the lack of information for the 600+ already in the spreadsheet.
Will be adding totals in the next iteration - so far Doilies make up .002% of the 31 million coins graded by PCGS (648 Doilies reported to date).Gone but not forgotten: IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal, CoinsAreFun.0 -
Sorry
1882 CC Morgan Dollar MS 63 DMPL # 8190754. The construction of the doily list so far is an outstanding accomplishment and very helpful.
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Not sure if I missed something on the census, but just for the record, there is an 1884 Seated Liberty proof quarter that I owned for a while before selling back in 2013. If there is also a business strike 1884, then the proof can be added. Otherwise, I hope the clarification that the coin is in fact a proof is helpful.
Always looking for tougher PSA 10's of Nolan Arenado, Alex Bregman, Mookie Betts, Francisco Lindor, and Mike Trout.
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Had the opportunity to quickly look at the Great Collections archive for sold Morgan Dollars. What follows are a few doily's not on the list. Images are on the Great Collections website
All Morgan Dollars
1878 7 tf Rev 79 MS 63 # 8180672
1878 S MS 63 DMPL # 8191936
1881 S MS 65 # 7349749
1881 S MS 65 # 7349751
1882 MS 63 # 8183264
1882 S MS 65 #8201989 (Gold CAC Sticker)
1882 S MS 66 # 3130068
1886 MS 64 # 8185351
1889 S MS 63 # 8201743
1896 P MS 62 # 7302987
1903 O MS 63 # 7305584
1921 P MS 64 # 8180229
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Wow - thanks for the research at GC!Gone but not forgotten: IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal, CoinsAreFun.1
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Nice seeing you at the show today, Penny Lady!
You were busy but you seemed very nice, of course.
Visit my eBay Store to see my (mostly) overpriced Rainbow Toned PCGS/NGC coins! IshopCoinShows4You0 -
I bought a 45P in a doily with a gold bean on it today at the Anaheim show. I already mailed it for photos so I don't have the number to add. But will later!Visit my eBay Store to see my (mostly) overpriced Rainbow Toned PCGS/NGC coins! IshopCoinShows4You0
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Lakes . . .Thought a PM, but this will legally bring the thread back up . .
Edits and additions:
--The 1839 Bust Half is a Reeded Edge . . . (obvious I guess) and was wondering if it should have a separate category (certainly not a big deal).
--We can add a 1933-D Lincoln in 65RD - 8185175m (missing outer ring)
--The 1964 Kennedy (7305609) is a proof.
--We can add an Arkansas (P) Commem in MS64 -- 7346683.
--The Washington-Carver Commem line is repeated.
--The Norfolk Commem serial is 8199473.
Just two additions . . most is simple bookkeeping.
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picked up a 63-d 50c ms64 8187527 i may try to get a gold sticker on. with outer ring.
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Corrections noted - thanks! Will be posted in the next iteration later this month.
The lettered v. reeded edge is an important type differentiation - thanks for noting that!
All - is it important to call out the Proofs as different from the MS coins??Gone but not forgotten: IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal, CoinsAreFun.0 -
Originally posted by: Lakesammman
Corrections noted - thanks! Will be posted in the next iteration later this month.
The lettered v. reeded edge is an important type differentiation - thanks for noting that!
All - is it important to call out the Proofs as different from the MS coins??
my 2c.
since proofs seem to be the minority, it might not hurt to put *
* indicates prrof.
seems the least amount of work, if you do it.
you may even go on do do other notations.
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BTW - the Wa_Carver duplicate line is a function of having to save 11 screen shots and then piece them back together. It doesn't exist in the spreadsheet.
There will be similar issues down the road, depending on how late in the day I do the post and how many Gin and Tonics have been consumed.
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FTB et al:
Please post pics to this thread that can be easily read. Is there a Doily in there somewhere?
Links to various and sundry sites create too much effort and will not be pursued.Gone but not forgotten: IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal, CoinsAreFun.0 -
Happened to see a sold doily on the APMEX web site. The first 1887-S Morgan Dollar in the census. MS64 # 7337547.
Also my 1882 CC Morgan MS 63 DMPL (outer ring broken off) # 8190754, just got CAC certification yesterday. 27 years after slabbed. Love those Doily's and rattlers
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Added Billet7's narrative which follows the spreadsheet. Updated to the best of my knowledge to include the most expensive doily ever ($111,625).
Let me know if you see other sections that need updating.Gone but not forgotten: IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal, CoinsAreFun.0 -
Updated the spreadsheet through today, 8-31-16.
Added totals of each type.
Revised Billet7's narrative that follows the census. If you see anything needing correction, LMK.Gone but not forgotten: IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal, CoinsAreFun.0 -
Why can't this thread be found via the forum search function!
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ttt - for those looking for this post instead of the old Doily census!Gone but not forgotten: IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal, CoinsAreFun.0
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Great job on updated doily census thru 8/31/16. Just acquired 2nd doily Morgan Dollar. 1921 P MS63 #7303367.1
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Originally posted by: hle04
Great job on updated doily census thru 8/31/16. Just acquired 2nd doily Morgan Dollar. 1921 P MS63 #7303367.
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I noticed the Doily Walker I posted on the old census is listed in this census as a Cleveland Half (SN 9142458). Does the Cleveland half with this serial number exist? Is there a photo of it that prompted the addition to this census? I hope I don't have a counterfeit!0
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I noticed the Doily Walker I posted on the old census is listed in this census as a Cleveland Half (SN 9142458).
I noticed that in the old thread you posted to - it and other additions will be corrected in the next spreadsheet due at the end of the month.Gone but not forgotten: IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal, CoinsAreFun.0 -
Originally posted by: Collector1960
I noticed the Doily Walker I posted on the old census is listed in this census as a Cleveland Half (SN 9142458). Does the Cleveland half with this serial number exist? Is there a photo of it that prompted the addition to this census? I hope I don't have a counterfeit!
I mentioned this a few posts ago. Since it's still in the PCGS database, it's reasonable to assume the Cleveland is still around somewhere. There was a discussion/explanation [IIRC in the old census thread] about a SNAFU whereby this mixup and some others occured. If it's not in the old thread, I have no idea how to go about searching this forum for it.theknowitalltroll;0 -
Merc dime I got outbid on: 1937 P cert 6244858. Sold for 75.00 over coinfacts!
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The 1937 P 66FB doily Mercury referred to in previous post just sold for $140.29 on ebay0
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Hle04-were you the buyer? I was outbid by a couple bucks.
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