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Are Clemens cards a waste of time?
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Roger Clemens and Derek Jeter are my two favorite athletes ever.
Ive always loved Clemens cards but is it just a horrible investment cuz of the steroid stuff or as time goes on will people kinda "forget" and his cards will reflect he was one of the all time greats?
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Ive always loved Clemens cards but is it just a horrible investment cuz of the steroid stuff or as time goes on will people kinda "forget" and his cards will reflect he was one of the all time greats?
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If you're looking STRICTLY for future value and there is enough uncertainty or doubt
then I'd probably just spend the money on something more stable (like anything Jordan lol).
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I see no reason that Clemens cards can't move up too. The card I wanted the most ever for years was the 1984 Fleer Update.
He'll get in the Hall sooner rather than later. As for a waste of time, if you were/are a fan of Clemens, that question needs no answering.
Not to be overdramatic but him not getting into the hall is one of my biggest disappointments in my sports life. Do you really think he'll get in someday? That would mean Bonds would too I would think cuz theyre connected in that regard obviously as both all time greats whos legacies were forever tarnished.
I always kinda thought Clemens did it because everyone else was and his late career just phenomenal seasons. After it kinda became official that he did I thought back of a few games and spurts where looking back its like yeah he definitely did it. The bat throw at Piazza is suchhhhhhhh a roid move. Although I don't think he really threw the vat "at" piazza I think he was just so jacked up and threw it down like "yeah mofo I just sawed you off." I had $3000 to win $10,500 on the Yankees from the all star break that year and that was one of the most intense moments of my sports betting career. Almost anyone else in baseball (someone of just not iconic status) would have been tossed from that game right there I'll never forget thinking "oh man this guy just got himself thrown out" cuz he was DEALING that post season. The previous game had pitched to that was a complete game 15K 1H shutout in seattle that put them up 3-1 against the Mariners (the year before they won 116 games). That Clemens game was the best game Ive ever seen anyone pitch he was absolutely amazing. That game he threw the bat at Piazza he went 8IP and only gave up 2 hits and no runs. Torre took him out after 8 cuz Piazza was up in the 9th and the Yanks were up 6-0 and he didn't wanna risk anything. Funny tho cuz the Mets scored 5 in the top of the 9th and only lose 6-5.
Anyways, went wayyyyyyy off topic there but I love the moments, just love them.
But you think he'll make the hall someday yeah?
Bonds - never
Clemens, Ortiz and Schilling - 50/50
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With eligibility now reduced to 10 years from 15 years, Bonds and Clemens better make up some ground quick. This year is a fairly weak ballot overall, so it will be interesting to see if either/both Bonds and Clemens raise their vote % to the point where induction seems at least a possibility. I can't see the veterans' committee inducting either player, so the window is closing.
Last year both picked up about 8% of the vote and if that could be sustained it would take them 4 of their 6 years remaining to make it. With the weak '17 class and 2018-20 only having 1 first ballot shoe in per year I see it happening within 4 years. It would be much easier with 15 years but despite the rule change I think it's still a safe bet.
Speaking of which I will put my money so to speak behind this idea. I will try to build the greatest Clemens unopened pack collection out there and try to win the 1984 Fleer update and 1986 Topps Tiffany traded best registry set awards by the year they are inducted!
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With eligibility now reduced to 10 years from 15 years, Bonds and Clemens better make up some ground quick. This year is a fairly weak ballot overall, so it will be interesting to see if either/both Bonds and Clemens raise their vote % to the point where induction seems at least a possibility. I can't see the veterans' committee inducting either player, so the window is closing.
Last year both picked up about 8% of the vote and if that could be sustained it would take them 4 of their 6 years remaining to make it. With the weak '17 class and 2018-20 only having 1 first ballot shoe in per year I see it happening within 4 years. It would be much easier with 15 years but despite the rule change I think it's still a safe bet.
Speaking of which I will put my money so to speak behind this idea. I will try to build the greatest Clemens unopened pack collection out there and try to win the 1984 Fleer update and 1986 Topps Tiffany traded best registry set awards by the year they are inducted!
Under normal circumstances, I would agree with that projection, but there is a segment of the voters that will not vote for either Clemens or Bonds under any circumstances because they cheated, which is a bit different from a player like Blyleven or Rice who gained support and recognition over a period of time before attaining induction. It will be interesting to see if there is a "ceiling" for either/both Bonds and Clemens as far as voting percentage goes.
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Bonds, Mcguire, Clemens, Schilling, Palmero, and Sosa will never get in. Especially Mcguire and Bonds who outright lied to fans in their faces. And continue to lie or avoid the subject. Playing us as if we're stupid. There are writers who are very distraught that they voted in someone that they now think used. They're not going to be embarrassed again. And will lean towards voting no versus voting yes and getting it wrong.
Only buy the card for collecting sake and memories. Not as an investment. Otherwise its dead money.
So I wouldn't call Clemens dead money as an investment. It is definitely risky, but the potential return is there if he gets in.
I wouldn't put one cent of an investment dollar into them versus all of the others safer "investments". But you shouldn't be investing in cardboard is what my father tells me.
I have a bit of a different take on McGwire and Sosa. Although I wouldn't vote for either one to make the hall, I look at them as extremely important figures in baseball history. For someone like me who became disillusioned with baseball after the 1994 strike, that home run chase brought be back. They cheated, but they were also influential in restoring popularity to the sport.
As a Bash Bros fan, I'm a bit biased toward McGwire. Although his non-admission/non-denial in front of congress was totally lame, he didn't come off like a complete jacka$$ as Sosa (pretending not to understand English) or Palmeiro (insert finger point here).
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would the 84 fleer update be the card to go after? does anyone have an idea of the print run on that card?
No idea on print run. If I were getting a Clemens I'd get the 84 Fleer Update in PSA 10 or the 85 Topps Tiffany in PSA 10. Possibly hedge and get both. Clemens will get in the HOF.
would the 84 fleer update be the card to go after? does anyone have an idea of the print run on that card?
No idea on print run. If I were getting a Clemens I'd get the 84 Fleer Update in PSA 10 or the 85 Topps Tiffany in PSA 10. Possibly hedge and get both. Clemens will get in the HOF.
A long time before you could believe everything on the internet, I recall a dealer at the large Jim Hawkins Plymouth MI show told a much younger version of me that the print run of the 1984 Fleer Update sets was around 35K. I don't know if that is true but the number that have surfaced and lack of unopened cases makes me think that 35K isn't too far off the mark.
would the 84 fleer update be the card to go after? does anyone have an idea of the print run on that card?
No idea on print run. If I were getting a Clemens I'd get the 84 Fleer Update in PSA 10 or the 85 Topps Tiffany in PSA 10. Possibly hedge and get both. Clemens will get in the HOF.
A long time before you could believe everything on the internet, I recall a dealer at the large Jim Hawkins Plymouth MI show told a much younger version of me that the print run of the 1984 Fleer Update sets was around 35K. I don't know if that is true but the number that have surfaced and lack of unopened cases makes me think that 35K isn't too far off the mark.
Buy them before the buying group gets them!
would the 84 fleer update be the card to go after? does anyone have an idea of the print run on that card?
No idea on print run. If I were getting a Clemens I'd get the 84 Fleer Update in PSA 10 or the 85 Topps Tiffany in PSA 10. Possibly hedge and get both. Clemens will get in the HOF.
A long time before you could believe everything on the internet, I recall a dealer at the large Jim Hawkins Plymouth MI show told a much younger version of me that the print run of the 1984 Fleer Update sets was around 35K. I don't know if that is true but the number that have surfaced and lack of unopened cases makes me think that 35K isn't too far off the mark.
Buy them before the buying group gets them!
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84 fleer update is next. 85 topps is actually a much tougher in a 10 based on the pop reports and "likelihood" of a hitting a 10.
an underrated one is probably 85 leaf, actually a pretty rare card.
The majority of the 8% gain came from the HOF culling the herd of voters. If I recall correctly, the raw vote support didn't change that much. With the weak 2017 class, Bonds and Clemens need to get to around 55% to give them a decent shot at getting in.
Oh shoot I didn't take into account the change in the voters, I agree they need 55% next year for me to feel good about their making it.
Well only time will tell until then let the investments continue. It could be a bad idea as many have said but I guess that's what makes a market and hopefully I can get some better deals than if everyone agreed they'd make it. If anyone wants to sell something nice from either Clemens or Bonds just send me a PM.
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They're at it again, Dan!
Ichiro also has an x/1250 card from the SP Authentic set, same year, same grade, that sells for 500 bucks. And Ichiro has a strong international following!
Demand for Brady exceeds that of Ichiro? I just don't get it.
That Brady card blows my mind.
Ichiro also has an x/1250 card from the SP Authentic set, same year, same grade, that sells for 500 bucks. And Ichiro has a strong international following!
Demand for Brady exceeds that of Ichiro? I just don't get it.
Tom Brady is Tom Brady. If there is any guy that someone could die and come back as it is him.
Not shocking his cards bring big money.
They're at it again, Dan!
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The biggest lesson I've learned in this hobby, and in life, is that if you have a strong conviction, you owe it to yourself to see it through. Don't sell yourself, or your investments, short. Unless the facts change. Then sell it all.
On Clemens..... At what point does low pop play into the value for him? 85 Topps 10's are tough
Considering Brady wasn't in a lot of products such as Topps and Topps Chrome, those prices don't seem that crazy. The PSA 10 pop of those card are relatively very low.
As of 6:30 p.m. PDT July 27, they are now in the $13,000 range
'It seems like the 500-1500 numbered copies are in the $500 range'
As of 6:30 p.m. PDT July 27, they are now in the $13,000 range
Ha! I shop in the blue light special area of the PWCC auctions! I should have said the non-SPA or non-SPX.