Lincoln 1917 DDO

Bodin · July 7, 2016 8:10AM

It drives me crazy how MY COIN seems to fall between the DDO and a regular 1917 Lincoln.

However, CLOSE= No Cigar

I blew out the closeup photos of "my coin" to help the eyes in separating the photos.
The coin is brown, not cleaned, as it might appear to be.

yosclimber · July 7, 2016 8:17AM

Looks like yours is the DDO, given the relative thickness of horizontal and vertical parts of several of the letters and digits.

sparky64 · July 7, 2016 8:23AM

That is one heck of a presentation of evidence.

I'd give it to you on that alone.

Plus I agree it's definitely something other than the normal one.

cmerlo1 · July 7, 2016 8:33AM

I don't think it is. Your photos make a good argument, but to me, 'TRUST' on your coin isn't correct- particularly 'TRU'. I've picked and successfully had certified several of these, all in low grades, and with all of them there was no doubt as the doubling on the 9 and 'TRUST' was easily seen.

LanceNewmanOCC · July 7, 2016 9:00AM

Originally posted by: cmerlo1

and with all of them there was no doubt as the doubling on the 9 and 'TRUST' was easily seen.

+1

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something goin' on for sure but prob not the fs-101, unless lds.

i'd check other 17 ddo for process of elimination.

i will but not now.

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luckybucks · July 7, 2016 10:17AM

Yours looks like a DDO to me.

LanceNewmanOCC · July 7, 2016 11:24AM

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id like to see nice full obv/rev for curiosity if ya get the chance.

id submit this to wiles/wexler.

some pups match, some seem not to odd.

gr8 commentary in this thread.

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JRocco · July 7, 2016 12:13PM

Great pics.

All looked really promising except for TRUST.

This is the only pic of mine I could find for comp.

Hope it can help.

koynekwest · July 7, 2016 1:22PM

The split on the tip of the loop of the "9" in the date is the key to identifying this variety IMO, visible even on low grade coins (I've cherried several in G-VG grade and I use that pick-up-point exclusively) and as Chris says-it's easily attributable in those grades. I don't think your coin is the DDO-sorry.

yosclimber · July 7, 2016 3:53PM

The notch in the 9 may not be visible due to a hit and wear.
TRU diagnostics may not be visible in lower grades like this.
However the last T in TRUST does match diagnostics.

2012 thread with images by Sean Reynolds of pick up points for lower grades like this coin.
https://forums.collectors.com/...tid=26&threadid=842703
Here are the images from that thread:

koynekwest · July 7, 2016 4:17PM

It takes more than just the "T" to confirm the variety. I see nothing on the first "T" or the "UST."

koynekwest · July 7, 2016 4:22PM

Nor do I see any evidence on the balance of the date or a hit on the "9" that would obscure the part of the "9" stated. As to wear, I've cherried the variety in AG grade that still show the split.

yosclimber · July 7, 2016 7:07PM

> It takes more than just the "T" to confirm the variety.

Is there an established system for exactly "what it takes" to confirm the variety?
One method would be to assign points to each attribute that is partly or fully visible.
I see several weak attributes, but nothing definite.
It seems that in lower grade specimens, it is more difficult to confirm or deny the variety because each of the distinguishing attributes is more worn away.

> I see nothing on the first "T" or the "UST."

First T: vertical part is wider than horizontal part.
Same with last T. But maybe not as wide as it should be?

> Nor do I see any evidence on the balance of the date

The horizontal part of the 7 is thicker than the diagonal part is wide.
But maybe not as thick as it should be.

> or a hit on the "9" that would obscure the part of the "9" stated.

I see a small depressed area at the tip of the inner curl of the 9,
where we would want to see the split.

> As to wear, I've cherried the variety in AG grade that still show the split.

That is helpful. I think confidence in classifying the variety gets very strong if the split is visible.
Clearly confidence is low in this specimen. Could be bad luck due to the wear pattern,
or maybe it is not the DDO.
So it's probably fair to say that few would pay a DDO premium for this specimen, since it's so marginal.

seanq · July 8, 2016 2:56PM

I can definitely see why you could think your coin is the DDO, but there are several key diagnostics missing that make me think it is not. Like others here I have handled many examples in low grades, there are a couple of my threads around showing close ups of the pick ups, the latest was updated last month. I think the thickness you see on some of the lettering is the result of excessive wear, but the date clinches the attribution as even in the lowest grades the 9 will show a notch on the lower loop and the top bar of the 7 will be much thicker than the vertical bar.

Thank you for posting such great pictures and for stimulating this discussion, I'm sorry I didn't have a more positive opinion to share.

Sean Reynolds

BUFFNIXX · July 10, 2016 11:05AM

could yours be a die number two?

Lincoln 1917 DDO

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