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BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
Waldo C. Moore was quite active in this hobby in the early 20th century. He wrote over 130 articles in The Numismatist and was also one of the ANA's elected Presidents. I had read about this token while researching one of Waldo's earlier struck designs however had never seen one of these. He struck a few different tokens which are all quite scarce today since they had been issued in low quantity just to disperse among his friends. This very busy 9 pictorial obverse has a saying which Waldo never revealed. Starting at the upper left you see an Awl as in "All" then a woman sewing...



So is anyone willing to try to decipher the message? image





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  • CuKevinCuKevin Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭✭
    Still working on it...
    Anyone else?
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  • TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Going to toss out my guess on the last line:



    "2-Log-Eagle" = too Logical??



    That's all I got....





    Added: But that "log" seems a bit overdone to be just a log....
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  • gsa1fangsa1fan Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭
    Better post I have opened and tried to decipher but have no more patience. I pray someone does before to long I will loose sleep!
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  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,889 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What's that in the lower right circle ? An eagle?



    Maybe it reads backwards or maybe all the designs

    are not in any order, and there's a nine word sentence

    there, but totally out of sequence.



    For example, if we read the three designs

    from the bottom left up, it could read:



    'To note all' ???



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  • jedmjedm Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Are you sure about the woman sewing? I see a frog at a tea party.
  • TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: FredWeinberg

    What's that in the lower right circle ? An eagle?



    Maybe it reads backwards or maybe all the designs

    are not in any order, and there's a nine word sentence

    there, but totally out of sequence.



    For example, if we read the three designs

    from the bottom left up, it could read:



    'To note all' ???







    I kind of like that idea, since the "animal with children" would be separated. (I'm taking those to be "litter"=little?). Having them side-by-side yields "litters", which is a lot of pictorial for one word.

    (Assuming I'm even close on the meaning).



    On the other hand, I like reading "Awl-sew = Also" across the top. But "Also Hat" seems to be a bit of a dead-end. image





    In the end, I think it's going to end up being, "That's what he meant, even if it doesn't make sense to us" saying.....
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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: jedm

    Are you sure about the woman sewing? I see a frog at a tea party.




    It's a woman having tea image



    There's a tea pot on the table and steam rising from the tea cup she's holding.

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  • TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
    It says "The Treasure is buried in a log by the stream in...."

    Then the engraver died before he could finish
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: FredWeinberg

    What's that in the lower right circle ? An eagle?




    Yes it's a Eagle.



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  • TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Awl T hat

    note litters

    too log eagle....



    Musicians: Is the "note" a G, perhaps?



    That yields: "All That Glitters"!!



    I like that!



    But, if that's the case, I may have to withdraw my "too logical" reading of the last line, because that makes no sense. image

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  • TigersFan2TigersFan2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭
    Butter sew hat
    Treble pig litter
    Two log eagle

    What do I win?
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  • TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wait, wait, wait!!!



    All That Glitters...



    I's (plural), knot, gold coin



    ALL THAT GLITTERS IS NOT GOLD!!!!

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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    All good guesses still I don't believe any are close? image



    Need a member to join in that's like Rain Man or the banjo playing kid in The Deliverance...



    Someone that can really think outside the box! imageimage
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  • jedmjedm Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭✭✭
    wooo hooo that's it!!
  • 1960NYGiants1960NYGiants Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: TommyType

    Awl T hat

    note litters

    too log eagle....



    Musicians: Is the "note" a G, perhaps?



    That yields: "All That Glitters"!!



    I like that!



    But, if that's the case, I may have to withdraw my "too logical" reading of the last line, because that makes no sense. image







    All that glitters is not gold.



    Awl Tea+Hat G (note) + litters I(s) knot (tied up snake) gold (coin).

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  • TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Broadstruck

    All good guesses still I don't believe any are close? image



    Need a member to join in that's like Rain Man or the banjo playing kid in The Deliverance...



    Someone that can really think outside the box! imageimage






    Are you sure it's not, "All that glitters is not gold"?? Because I can defend that interpretation without too much work at all!! image
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  • jedmjedm Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: TommyType
    Wait, wait, wait!!!

    All That Glitters...

    I's (plural), knot, gold coin

    ALL THAT GLITTERS IS NOT GOLD!!!!


    I was responding to this! And the knot that I saw was in a LOG, but someone else saw it in a snake.
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: TommyType

    Wait, wait, wait!!!



    All That Glitters...



    I's (plural), knot, gold coin



    ALL THAT GLITTERS IS NOT GOLD!!!!





    TommyType, Holy Cow I didn't see your post until now image



    Awl as in All, Tea as in just the letter T, & Hat.



    Musical note G, & two Litters.



    Wow it all makes sense! image
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  • TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What do we win? image
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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: TommyType

    What do we win? image




    Not sure, but do feel I owe you something as you solved this in a few hours and I've thought about it on and off for over 2 months image

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  • TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Group effort.



    Left on my own, I'd still be working off of "too logical" as the last line! image
    Easily distracted Type Collector
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: TommyType

    Group effort.



    Left on my own, I'd still be working off of "too logical" as the last line! image




    I've been stuck at "All So" for 2 months as I swore the woman was sewing imageimage



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  • DCWDCW Posts: 7,503 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, that sure was an interesting thread! And another cool token, Frank. Where did you pick this one up?

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  • brg5658brg5658 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Super cool Rebus on a token...



    Well done Tommy Type!
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  • 3keepSECRETif2rDEAD3keepSECRETif2rDEAD Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yeah that was a good call man!
  • kazkaz Posts: 9,227 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ha Ha! great thread. good job TommyType! that's a cool rebus, Is=I's, G(note) litters.. that's a neat piece.

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