Originally posted by: PutTogether I snagged an Assay Commision Medal - feeling pretty good about it too.
Mind if I ask which one? I bid on all but 1871. I really liked the 1922 medal - it had a very nice finish that isn't always present on this date. The 1890s probably could have gone for more, IMO.
I was able to pick up the MS65 1849 Zachary Taylor MI-24 Medal. I think I got a good price on it too considering what the 66 sold for.
Based on past sales, yes, you did get it for a good price. They've typically been selling in the $1200 range.
I do believe the prices were what they were worth and the estimates were just low.
The estimates were low. Many of the sale prices were reasonable, but many of the prices were high as well. About 40 pieces (about 20% of the lots) set new all-time high prices, based on my records of auction appearances. A few of them are understandable, for truly rare pieces. Others, like HK-414 in MS-64 PL selling for over $1,400, make no sense at all.
Although it is basically an HK-781 with engraving on it, it is listed in the HK book as HK-1012 and "only two specimens known".
HK-1012 is one of the truly rare pieces. I have records of six auction appearances, and I decided those were for three different specimens. You paid almost $100 less than the same piece sold 6 years earlier. One sold in 1998 for even more.
There's an interesting story behind HK-1012. The style you bought, with large curved engraving of the George H. Ford name, was described as HK-1012 for many years, at least since the mid-1980s. But if you look closely, the wording doesn't exactly match the description in the original 1963 edition of the HK book. Several years ago I found an example with straight engraving that DOES match the 1963 description exactly. I asked the ANS to double-check their collection, which includes the Zerbe pieces that formed the first systematic listing of the Bryan Dollars, and their example has straight text also. We've updated the So-Called Dollars web siteto show the straight text version as HK-1012 and the curved text version with its slightly different wording as HK-1012a.
Good to know all these amazing & beautiful historical pieces still command collecting interest. I truly think they are well worth collecting and researching. BTW, Dan Carr... I predict that one day your creations will be fought over even more than they are fought over now....
Originally posted by: jonathanb HK-1012 is one of the truly rare pieces. I have records of six auction appearances, and I decided those were for three different specimens. You paid almost $100 less than the same piece sold 6 years earlier. One sold in 1998 for even more.
There's an interesting story behind HK-1012. The style you bought, with large curved engraving of the George H. Ford name, was described as HK-1012 for many years, at least since the mid-1980s. But if you look closely, the wording doesn't exactly match the description in the original 1963 edition of the HK book. Several years ago I found an example with straight engraving that DOES match the 1963 description exactly. I asked the ANS to double-check their collection, which includes the Zerbe pieces that formed the first systematic listing of the Bryan Dollars, and their example has straight text also. We've updated the So-Called Dollars web siteto show the straight text version as HK-1012 and the curved text version with its slightly different wording as HK-1012a.
Great info, thanks ! I had not checked that web page for some time, obviously.
The "regular" HK-1012 with straight baseline on the engraving almost looks like it is a counter-stamp rather than engraving. But some of the repeated letters are not exactly the same shape (the two "R"s, for example). So it probably is an engraving - I'd have to examine the piece in person to be sure.
I like the 1012a with curved baseline engraving because it includes the word "SILVERSMITHS" so as to mimic the Gorham and Spaulding pieces.
Originally posted by: Pioneer Good to know all these amazing & beautiful historical pieces still command collecting interest. I truly think they are well worth collecting and researching. BTW, Dan Carr... I predict that one day your creations will be fought over even more than they are fought over now....
John Dean thinks I'm some kind of modern-day Thomas Elder Except that Thomas Elder didn't engrave or mint the items himself
Originally posted by: PutTogether I snagged an Assay Commision Medal - feeling pretty good about it too.
Mind if I ask which one? I bid on all but 1871. I really liked the 1922 medal - it had a very nice finish that isn't always present on this date. The 1890s probably could have gone for more, IMO.
Ok you caught me - more than one.
I got the 1871, 1922, and the 1890 that wasn't mislabeled. Someone beat me on the 1894, was that you?
Had I known I was going to be able to get the 1922 as low as it went, I would have been more willing to stretch on the 1894.
Originally posted by: PutTogether I snagged an Assay Commision Medal - feeling pretty good about it too.
Mind if I ask which one? I bid on all but 1871. I really liked the 1922 medal - it had a very nice finish that isn't always present on this date. The 1890s probably could have gone for more, IMO.
Ok you caught me - more than one.
I got the 1871, 1922, and the 1890 that wasn't mislabeled. Someone beat me on the 1894, was that you?
Had I known I was going to be able to get the 1922 as low as it went, I would have been more willing to stretch on the 1894.
A nice group for sure! The 1922 is probably one of the more common medals in the series though, possibly explaining the price. The one you purchased is a very nice example.
Nope - I didn't get the 94, nor did I get any other medals from this auction!
Well, Heritage finally shipped my items today. For all the stories of super fast shipments I guess I got my hopes up. I paid as soon as the invoice showed up and they sat on it for a week. Oh, well. Looking forward to getting the tokens and showing some bew additions
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Mine arrived today. Silver Assay medal didnt look quite as nice as I'd hoped, but is still a silver Assay medal. The 1890 blew me away though. the 1922 was very cool, and nicer than I thought it would be from the pics....especially the surfaces of the medal. Side Note: Holy CRAP I didn't realize how big some slabs were.
Side note pt 2: I didn't realize at the time that all three of my purchases were ex Newman
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HK-779: (1) (lower grade)
HK-780: (7)
HK-781: (6)
HK-782: (1)
HK-783: (1)
HK-1010: (1) (weak faded lettering)
Just based on that, HK-780 and HK-781, although scarce, are not nearly as rare as any of the others.
2014 ANA Heritage sale Bryan Dollar
Although it is basically an HK-781 with engraving on it, it is listed in the HK book as HK-1012 and "only two specimens known".
I snagged an Assay Commision Medal - feeling pretty good about it too.
Mind if I ask which one? I bid on all but 1871. I really liked the 1922 medal - it had a very nice finish that isn't always present on this date. The 1890s probably could have gone for more, IMO.
Based on past sales, yes, you did get it for a good price. They've typically been selling in the $1200 range.
2014 ANA Heritage sale Bryan Dollar
Although it is basically an HK-781 with engraving on it, it is listed in the HK book as HK-1012 and "only two specimens known".
There's an interesting story behind HK-1012. The style you bought, with large curved engraving of the George H. Ford name, was described as HK-1012 for many years, at least since the mid-1980s. But if you look closely, the wording doesn't exactly match the description in the original 1963 edition of the HK book. Several years ago I found an example with straight engraving that DOES match the 1963 description exactly. I asked the ANS to double-check their collection, which includes the Zerbe pieces that formed the first systematic listing of the Bryan Dollars, and their example has straight text also. We've updated the So-Called Dollars web siteto show the straight text version as HK-1012 and the curved text version with its slightly different wording as HK-1012a.
HK-1012 is one of the truly rare pieces. I have records of six auction appearances, and I decided those were for three different specimens. You paid almost $100 less than the same piece sold 6 years earlier. One sold in 1998 for even more.
There's an interesting story behind HK-1012. The style you bought, with large curved engraving of the George H. Ford name, was described as HK-1012 for many years, at least since the mid-1980s. But if you look closely, the wording doesn't exactly match the description in the original 1963 edition of the HK book. Several years ago I found an example with straight engraving that DOES match the 1963 description exactly. I asked the ANS to double-check their collection, which includes the Zerbe pieces that formed the first systematic listing of the Bryan Dollars, and their example has straight text also. We've updated the So-Called Dollars web siteto show the straight text version as HK-1012 and the curved text version with its slightly different wording as HK-1012a.
Great info, thanks !
I had not checked that web page for some time, obviously.
The "regular" HK-1012 with straight baseline on the engraving almost looks like it is a counter-stamp rather than engraving. But some of the repeated letters are not exactly the same shape (the two "R"s, for example). So it probably is an engraving - I'd have to examine the piece in person to be sure.
I like the 1012a with curved baseline engraving because it includes the word "SILVERSMITHS" so as to mimic the Gorham and Spaulding pieces.
Good to know all these amazing & beautiful historical pieces still command collecting interest. I truly think they are well worth collecting and researching. BTW, Dan Carr... I predict that one day your creations will be fought over even more than they are fought over now....
John Dean thinks I'm some kind of modern-day Thomas Elder
Except that Thomas Elder didn't engrave or mint the items himself
I snagged an Assay Commision Medal - feeling pretty good about it too.
Mind if I ask which one? I bid on all but 1871. I really liked the 1922 medal - it had a very nice finish that isn't always present on this date. The 1890s probably could have gone for more, IMO.
Ok you caught me - more than one.
I got the 1871, 1922, and the 1890 that wasn't mislabeled. Someone beat me on the 1894, was that you?
Had I known I was going to be able to get the 1922 as low as it went, I would have been more willing to stretch on the 1894.
I snagged an Assay Commision Medal - feeling pretty good about it too.
Mind if I ask which one? I bid on all but 1871. I really liked the 1922 medal - it had a very nice finish that isn't always present on this date. The 1890s probably could have gone for more, IMO.
Ok you caught me - more than one.
I got the 1871, 1922, and the 1890 that wasn't mislabeled. Someone beat me on the 1894, was that you?
Had I known I was going to be able to get the 1922 as low as it went, I would have been more willing to stretch on the 1894.
A nice group for sure! The 1922 is probably one of the more common medals in the series though, possibly explaining the price. The one you purchased is a very nice example.
Nope - I didn't get the 94, nor did I get any other medals from this auction!
Oh, well. Looking forward to getting the tokens and showing some bew additions
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I am blown away by the quality of my new purchases, all coming from the Eric Newman collection.
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Side note pt 2: I didn't realize at the time that all three of my purchases were ex Newman
--- I suppose I should have searched before I asked the question.