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Thought this one would DMPL

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  • CommemKingCommemKing Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
    tough to tell from the photos. Looks good to me.
  • SmittysSmittys Posts: 9,876 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: CommemKing
    tough to tell from the photos. Looks good to me.


    Forgot to say it only got PL
  • guitarwesguitarwes Posts: 9,290 ✭✭✭
    Maybe the central obverse held it back? Not quite frosty enough. Are the mirrors all there and deep?
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  • HighReliefHighRelief Posts: 3,721 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like it needed a good dipping before you sent it in, the haze is obstructing the mirrored fields. I would say you were lucky to even get the PL designation out of it.
  • etexmikeetexmike Posts: 6,852 ✭✭✭
    Images can be tough to grade, even very good images.



    Coin looks to be a very solid PL.





    Mike
  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Doesn't dipping result in actual damage to the metal on the coin's surface and the attachment of sulfur ions to the surface that eventually corrode?
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  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,550 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: jmski52

    Doesn't dipping result in actual damage to the metal on the coin's surface and the attachment of sulfur ions to the surface that eventually corrode?




    Some people use the word dipping a little too liberally and then people think that an acidic solution is being used all the time etc which would cause harm...



    MS70 is an industrial cleaner that does not have acid in it and when used properly on mid to high grade silver, it works great! Just a use a q-tip to push the liquid around on each side of the coin, rinse in warm water and then pat/air dry and you are able to remove haze/surface contaminants etc. No change to the metal is caused when using MS70 properly. Wear chemical/rubber gloves though!
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  • StuartStuart Posts: 9,831 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree with Brian's observation that as depicted on your posted photos the haze exhibited is partially obstructing the mirrored fields. -- This could result in otherwise DMPL depth mirrored fields being downgraded to the prooflike designation.

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  • david3142david3142 Posts: 3,609 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: guitarwes

    Maybe the central obverse held it back? Not quite frosty enough. Are the mirrors all there and deep?




    Devices are not factored into PL/DMPL designations. I think the coin looks solidly PL but I see areas of weakness - the hazy parts on the reverse as others have mentioned but also the upper-left obverse. I think the grading services have been especially tough on DMPL coins recently.

    All that said, it's nearly impossible to tell the distinction from a glamour-shot Truview.
  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: HighRelief
    Looks like it needed a good dipping before you sent it in, the haze is obstructing the mirrored fields. I would say you were lucky to even get the PL designation out of it.


    I have to agree, the haze is covering the PL
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  • TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
    From the pictures, there are some frost breaks on the cheek and neck and left wing .
    Maybe that is what held it back?
  • jclovescoinsjclovescoins Posts: 1,956 ✭✭✭✭✭
    PL not DMPL
  • david3142david3142 Posts: 3,609 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: TopographicOceans

    From the pictures, there are some frost breaks on the cheek and neck and left wing .

    Maybe that is what held it back?




    Once again, that does not matter for MS coins. Frosted devices are only an issue for the CAM and DCAM designations.

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