Through the Ebay Looking Glass.
planonit
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This is where this weird story begins:
Listing.
So if you look at the listing the first thing I see is an over priced half dollar. No biggie. What caught my eye was the other coins in the background. At first I thought they were printed pictures or maybe books. I see a Trade Dollar, a Seated Dollar, Double Eagle etc.
Well I was about to close the tab but I said "Man those looks like holders". So I clicked through the pictures. I could see the Trade Dollar had a year of 1880 but THEN in Picture #7 in the upper side of the frame I see an 1880 Trade Dollar in an old holder graded PF 67. Holy cow.
So I message the seller immediately inquiring about the coins in the background. He sent me a weird message that honestly was hard to decipher what he was even trying to say:
I am fully aware of that but the coins I collect that are high-value raw Coins I send out thank you for your interest and I m sure you can find other coins of interest on eBay have a nice weekend I wish not to start an argument take care.
Very confused so I messaged back and I got more messages that sort of rambled on and he said that he got the coins in an estate sale and he submitted the good ones for grading.
Ok. Red Flags emerge fast.
1) These coins are in old holders. He seems to imply this was recent but those holders are far from recent.
2) Besides the slew of spelling and grammatical errors in his messages it seems to be he was speaking in a light form of broken English.
So I again asked him if the coins were for sale and I tested him asking what the 1880 Trade Dollar was graded. I already knew but I asked.
He replied:
No read the description I posted the row coins to answer your question the trade dollars an MS 63 not for sale
Awls good I'm sure you can find some on eBay thank you
Yeah no. Again more and more broken English, he DID answer my question about if those coins are for sale finally but the 1880 Trade Dollar is not a MS63, and as this experienced collector (He commonly would reference that he collects coins himself) he should know no 1880 Trade are business strikes.
I have no idea what this scam is. It is strange.
Edit: I have no idea why and never had this issue before but apparently this site has decided I need to paragraphs. I will comply with its wishes.
Listing.
So if you look at the listing the first thing I see is an over priced half dollar. No biggie. What caught my eye was the other coins in the background. At first I thought they were printed pictures or maybe books. I see a Trade Dollar, a Seated Dollar, Double Eagle etc.
Well I was about to close the tab but I said "Man those looks like holders". So I clicked through the pictures. I could see the Trade Dollar had a year of 1880 but THEN in Picture #7 in the upper side of the frame I see an 1880 Trade Dollar in an old holder graded PF 67. Holy cow.
So I message the seller immediately inquiring about the coins in the background. He sent me a weird message that honestly was hard to decipher what he was even trying to say:
I am fully aware of that but the coins I collect that are high-value raw Coins I send out thank you for your interest and I m sure you can find other coins of interest on eBay have a nice weekend I wish not to start an argument take care.
Very confused so I messaged back and I got more messages that sort of rambled on and he said that he got the coins in an estate sale and he submitted the good ones for grading.
Ok. Red Flags emerge fast.
1) These coins are in old holders. He seems to imply this was recent but those holders are far from recent.
2) Besides the slew of spelling and grammatical errors in his messages it seems to be he was speaking in a light form of broken English.
So I again asked him if the coins were for sale and I tested him asking what the 1880 Trade Dollar was graded. I already knew but I asked.
He replied:
No read the description I posted the row coins to answer your question the trade dollars an MS 63 not for sale
Awls good I'm sure you can find some on eBay thank you
Yeah no. Again more and more broken English, he DID answer my question about if those coins are for sale finally but the 1880 Trade Dollar is not a MS63, and as this experienced collector (He commonly would reference that he collects coins himself) he should know no 1880 Trade are business strikes.
I have no idea what this scam is. It is strange.
Edit: I have no idea why and never had this issue before but apparently this site has decided I need to paragraphs. I will comply with its wishes.
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You can see the dots in the printed material.
bob
Simple.
pretty obvious to me that he set the raw coins (that's what he said he's selling) on a book or other printed material to take the pics of the raw coins.
You can see the dots in the printed material.
bob
Well I thought same thing but in the pictures you can see the actually holders. I mean the Trade and Seated Dollars are not books but plastic holders. Does that make them genuine? Absolutely not but what is his goal? 99.8% of people are not even going to see what I did and if the goal is to lure people in when I asked him about the slabbed coins he showed zero interest at all in even discussing them for sale.
I am fascinated on what people are thinking and scam artists can be fascinating subjects because I have zero idea what this person is even attempting to achieve. Did he make/buy a fake 1880 PF70 Trade and hide it in some pictures as a way to lure people to bid on some half dollar? That makes no sense.
Maybe I'm a weirdo but I love trying to get inside these guys/gals heads.
This is where this weird story begins:
Listing.
So if you look at the listing the first thing I see is an over priced half dollar. No biggie. What caught my eye was the other coins in the background. At first I thought they were printed pictures or maybe books. I see a Trade Dollar, a Seated Dollar, Double Eagle etc.
Well I was about to close the tab but I said "Man those looks like holders". So I clicked through the pictures. I could see the Trade Dollar had a year of 1880 but THEN in Picture #7 in the upper side of the frame I see an 1880 Trade Dollar in an old holder graded PF 67. Holy cow.
So I message the seller immediately inquiring about the coins in the background. He sent me a weird message that honestly was hard to decipher what he was even trying to say:
I am fully aware of that but the coins I collect that are high-value raw Coins I send out thank you for your interest and I m sure you can find other coins of interest on eBay have a nice weekend I wish not to start an argument take care.
Very confused so I messaged back and I got more messages that sort of rambled on and he said that he got the coins in an estate sale and he submitted the good ones for grading.
Ok. Red Flags emerge fast.
1) These coins are in old holders. He seems to imply this was recent but those holders are far from recent.
2) Besides the slew of spelling and grammatical errors in his messages it seems to be he was speaking in a light form of broken English.
So I again asked him if the coins were for sale and I tested him asking what the 1880 Trade Dollar was graded. I already knew but I asked.
He replied:
No read the description I posted the row coins to answer your question the trade dollars an MS 63 not for sale
Awls good I'm sure you can find some on eBay thank you
Yeah no. Again more and more broken English, he again has not answered my question about if those coins are for sale, the 1880 Trade Dollar is not a MS63, and as this experienced collector (He commonly would reference that he collects coins himself) he should know no 1880 Trade are business strikes.
I have no idea what this scam is. It is strange.
Edit: I have no idea why and never had this issue before but apparently this site has decided I need to paragraphs. I will comply with its wishes.
The certified coins you see in the background are from a printed picture. They are not actually there.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
(Shadows under the real coins would otherwise be different).
Seller probably didn't understand your inquiry..
JMHO -Ron
I think that says it all
NOT A PROFESSIONAL COIN GREATER NOR I STAYED TO BE
I think that says it all
I guess that's better (greater) than a professional coin grater!
This is where this weird story begins:
Listing.
So if you look at the listing the first thing I see is an over priced half dollar. No biggie. What caught my eye was the other coins in the background. At first I thought they were printed pictures or maybe books. I see a Trade Dollar, a Seated Dollar, Double Eagle etc.
Well I was about to close the tab but I said "Man those looks like holders". So I clicked through the pictures. I could see the Trade Dollar had a year of 1880 but THEN in Picture #7 in the upper side of the frame I see an 1880 Trade Dollar in an old holder graded PF 67. Holy cow.
So I message the seller immediately inquiring about the coins in the background. He sent me a weird message that honestly was hard to decipher what he was even trying to say:
I am fully aware of that but the coins I collect that are high-value raw Coins I send out thank you for your interest and I m sure you can find other coins of interest on eBay have a nice weekend I wish not to start an argument take care.
Very confused so I messaged back and I got more messages that sort of rambled on and he said that he got the coins in an estate sale and he submitted the good ones for grading.
Ok. Red Flags emerge fast.
1) These coins are in old holders. He seems to imply this was recent but those holders are far from recent.
2) Besides the slew of spelling and grammatical errors in his messages it seems to be he was speaking in a light form of broken English.
So I again asked him if the coins were for sale and I tested him asking what the 1880 Trade Dollar was graded. I already knew but I asked.
He replied:
No read the description I posted the row coins to answer your question the trade dollars an MS 63 not for sale
Awls good I'm sure you can find some on eBay thank you
Yeah no. Again more and more broken English, he DID answer my question about if those coins are for sale finally but the 1880 Trade Dollar is not a MS63, and as this experienced collector (He commonly would reference that he collects coins himself) he should know no 1880 Trade are business strikes.
I have no idea what this scam is. It is strange.
Edit: I have no idea why and never had this issue before but apparently this site has decided I need to paragraphs. I will comply with its wishes.
Edit: I have no idea why and never had this issue before but apparently this site has decided I need to paragraphs. I will comply with its wishes.
Scamatology. Good luck.
Appears the paragraph was lost in Dec., 2015, by Fusetalk., an internet posting board website, hosting message board interchange among US Coin enthusiasts.
THIS SUCKS.
PERIOD, OVER AND OUT.
WORST BOARD EVER.
WHO KNOWS WHAT FUSETALK WILL DO NEXT.
JFC. COMPLETLEY FRUSTRATED, DON''T CARE ANYMORE.
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BHNC #203
Where's my cheese grater and whine ?
Um
Wisconsin and Napa Valley ?
Or Home Depot ™ not sure
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Check out my current listings: https://ebay.com/sch/khunt/m.html?_ipg=200&_sop=12&_rdc=1
But I don't get a warm fuzzy feeling that any after-sales problems would be easily resolved.
Edit: "Seller does not offer returns." And see more comments 4 posts below.
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He's also selling a quarter eagle with a "small neck": http://www.ebay.com/itm/1910-2...72e:g:AqUAAOSwnH1WWlw5
That picture clearly shows real, genuine, authentic, 1964 US Half Dollars.
If I bid and win the quarter eagle, do I get those too or is this wishful thinking on my part or an attempt to deceive on his part?
On another note, the unopened 1955 proof set that he has looks like it might be the real deal.
Price seems about right ($200/offer).
But do you get 20 coins? Or only the 19 coins in the picture?
Or maybe you get just ONE coin. Read the listing carefully. It doesn't say how many.
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The more closely I look, the more red flags I see. I'd pass on this Seller.
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