Here is a link to some images of gold coins in the same shape and some history.Text Some of the old independent gold was this shape.
I don't mean the octagonal shape. The pioneer slugs and the $50 pan-pac pieces are all legit examples. I mean the geometric triangles around the perimeter. I feel it's a space filler that looks kind of bush-league.
We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last. --Severian the Lame
Originally posted by: Bullsitter Super nice medal. I'll save the photo to look at and keep the $5,000.
Bingo! Deja vu all over again re: Franklin Mint, Danbury Mint, Medallic Arts Company, etc., etc., - whatever. Oh, and BTW Bullsitter, FIFY.
In comparing DC to those companies , please show me any issue where they have produced an item with mintages under 50 .
I would be surprised if Dan produced more than 25 of this issue and they are probably already spoken for ... I would love one, but I'm a poverty stricken collector and Dan doesn't accept monthly payments
Maybe I'm alone or maybe not, but I happen to love some of Medallic Arts Co pieces that were produced
Originally posted by: Overdate Any chance the design will be available in silver for us low-budget collectors?
It would be cool to have a matching silver coin made of Colorado silver. Great idea
I don't think he will replicate this particular piece in silver, but now that he has fabricated the collar to produce these slugs, hopefully he will do some future designs in this style ..
I would hope that he implements the reverse owl design on some of the smaller gold Clark Gruber pieces, such as the Half Eagle and fractional 1/10 oz..
He has already done the smaller octagonal Lesher pieces, so it certainly could be a possibility to see something slug like in silver.. Maybe he will chime in soon with the answers..
Originally posted by: PerryHall That's quite a premium over melt. I'll try to get one on the secondary market in a couple of years although if PCGS or NGC starts slabbing them their value will certainly increase.
I agree that the premium is much too high and, if they are slabbed the value is certain to rise.
Originally posted by: Bullsitter Super nice coin. I'll save the photo to look at and keep the $5,000.
Me too, as I have no interest in owning one, although I think that it is an attractive design on this piece of art gold slug.
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I was able to view the coin in hand on Friday. I was allowed to hold one and believe me, the perimeter design elements make the coin pretty flashy if you can get your eye past the owl. No photos I guess because Dan said that the two he had were the only ones created so far.
Didn't even ask the price as I wasn't looking to buy any gold, but I did pick up a few silver pieces too fresh to make his website and will prob sell out fast. That makes bellying up to his booth worth the effort.
Not all his designs are for me but a few knock me out. I'll pay his premiums, as it does support future efforts, and really, he's making me money as the limited mintages usually quickly double his premium. I say he's gotta be proud that his past pieces trade with premiums within his lifetime and will likely march on from here.
I hope Dan does not limit the release to pre-sales and has them on his website for some time, e.g. 1-2 weeks or more.
One of the things I always appreciated about Dan's sales is that he would sell them on his website for some time for people to consider getting one, e.g. the Clark Gruber, Pike's Peak, and Confederate State double eagles. This way, he didn't create a "buyout" environment where the average collector didn't have a chance like with some other Mint's.
I also think the price is high enough that he should should be able to offer them on his website for some time. I always liked the Pan Pacs slugs where you could order them. The mintage wasn't limited because of an artificially low mintage. The mintage was limited because few people purchased them in the publish purchase window.
I'm glad he made this piece. I've been interested in Dan making a gold slug for a while so it's great to see this one come to reality. The owl, moon and stars is a very nice background IMO. Would love to see one in hand.
I also think a silver one would be great for people that cannot afford the gold one as mentioned by a few collectors here. Perhaps a 1 oz silver one with a $100 face like the Lesher pieces. I like the $5000 face because it goes with the 2015 issue date.
WildIdea, I posted the final version pic of the gold slug on page 1 of the thread..
Now you have me super curious as to which silver pieces you purchased that have not been posted to his website ..
The only piece he spoke of coming out soon was the 2015 Amero..
I HATE living on the East Coast and not being able to see these issues prior to website release .. The slug piece he shared pics of in a DC thread on another forum ..
I HATE living on the East Coast and not being able to see these issues prior to website release ..
Seems like there's a lot of numismatic activity in Colorado between the Dan, the Denver Mint and the ANA.
The slug piece he shared pics of in a DC thread on another forum ..
Took me a while to find that thread but it's a great one to follow. The in-development images remind me of when Dan was first working on his trade dollars and posting his images here for feedback. It's great to be part of a conversation like that.
I HATE living on the East Coast and not being able to see these issues prior to website release ..
Seems like there's a lot of numismatic activity in Colorado between the Dan, the Denver Mint and the ANA.
The slug piece he shared pics of in a DC thread on another forum ..
Took me a while to find that thread but it's a great one to follow. The in-development images remind me of when Dan was first working on his trade dollars and posting his images here for feedback. It's great to be part of a conversation like that.
I couldn't agree with you more !! It's frustrated me for 4 years not being able to see items in hand ..
I attended a small coin show yesterday in my area .. It was the first one ever held by the local numismatic club .. I couldn't find a single DC piece offered by anyone and pretty much everyone of them looked at me cross eyed when I told them I collect Daniel Carr pieces . Their next show is in April and I'm going to get a table just to show them all what the heck I'm talking about .. Lol
In the Denver area those guys regularly buy sell and trade his pieces .. Ohh well, you can't have everything in life ..
For fantasy coins, I like to think of Dan along the lines of Bolen, Dickeson, Elder, Lovett, and others. It's been really great having Dan make these in our time.
And yes, the issues of Bolen, Dickeson, Elder, Lovett, and others do appeal to me and many others
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Originally posted by: Zoins For fantasy coins, I like to think of Dan along the lines of Bolen, Dickeson, Elder, Lovett, and others. It's been really great having Dan make these issues in our time.
And yes, the issues of Bolen, Dickeson, Elder, Lovett, and others do appeal to me
Whatever floats your boat - but I don't see any correlation between artisan medalists who made hand engraved dies, and a minter who uses computer generated designs and die cutting equipment. In my world, there is a huge difference between the skill and labor to use one's hands and the skill to use computer software in creating art. No comparison.
Originally posted by: Zoins For fantasy coins, I like to think of Dan along the lines of Bolen, Dickeson, Elder, Lovett, and others. It's been really great having Dan make these issues in our time.
And yes, the issues of Bolen, Dickeson, Elder, Lovett, and others do appeal to me
Whatever floats your boat - but I don't see any correlation between artisan medalists who made hand engraved dies, and a minter who uses computer generated designs and die cutting equipment. In my world, there is a huge difference between the skill and labor to use one's hands and the skill to use computer software in creating art. No comparison.
Technology changes with the times. Have to keep up
More seriously, I am very interested in coin manufacturing over time. In early times, coins were hammered, then we had uncollared dies, then collared dies, then computer-aided design, etc. Somewhere during the transition from uncollared to collared dies, we had the introduction of steam presses which have been replaced. For engraving, we had hand engraved letters which moved to punches and then computer generated devices. It's very interesting to look at the old hubs which didn't have any letters on them because they were impressed separately. There is a technology for each time, and I think they can all be appreciated.
I am curious whatever happened to the hand-engraved dies Dan made, e.g. for the ANA.
Numismatics is a big, interesting, and evolving field. Dan's creations are of the work of our times and much appreciated, as are those of the past.
Technology helps the artist but can not create one.
Originally posted by: coindeuce
Originally posted by: Zoins For fantasy coins, I like to think of Dan along the lines of Bolen, Dickeson, Elder, Lovett, and others. It's been really great having Dan make these issues in our time.
And yes, the issues of Bolen, Dickeson, Elder, Lovett, and others do appeal to me
Whatever floats your boat - but I don't see any correlation between artisan medalists who made hand engraved dies, and a minter who uses computer generated designs and die cutting equipment. In my world, there is a huge difference between the skill and labor to use one's hands and the skill to use computer software in creating art. No comparison.
Originally posted by: Zoins For fantasy coins, I like to think of Dan along the lines of Bolen, Dickeson, Elder, Lovett, and others. It's been really great having Dan make these issues in our time.
And yes, the issues of Bolen, Dickeson, Elder, Lovett, and others do appeal to me
Whatever floats your boat - but I don't see any correlation between artisan medalists who made hand engraved dies, and a minter who uses computer generated designs and die cutting equipment. In my world, there is a huge difference between the skill and labor to use one's hands and the skill to use computer software in creating art. No comparison.
Technology changes with the times. Have to keep up
More seriously, I am very interested in coin manufacturing over time. In early times, coins were hammered, then we had uncollared dies, then collared dies, then computer-aided design, etc. Somewhere during the transition from uncollared to collared dies, we had the introduction of steam presses which have been replaced. For engraving, we had hand engraved letters which moved to punches and then computer generated devices. It's very interesting to look at the old hubs which didn't have any letters on them because they were impressed separately. There is a technology for each time, and I think they can all be appreciated.
I am curious whatever happened to the hand-engraved dies Dan made, e.g. for the ANA.
Numismatics is a big, interesting, and evolving field. Dan's creations are of the work of our times and much appreciated, as are those of the past.
Originally posted by: Bigpoppas WildIdea, I posted the final version pic of the gold slug on page 1 of the thread.. Now you have me super curious as to which silver pieces you purchased that have not been posted to his website .. The only piece he spoke of coming out soon was the 2015 Amero..
I HATE living on the East Coast and not being able to see these issues prior to website release .. The slug piece he shared pics of in a DC thread on another forum ..
That CG photo is nothing like a picture of the real thing. An in hand shot would tell the story.
Yes there was a nice 1oz bar with current date and the new Amero in silver and copper. Some other nice rounds with various mulings.
Also a concept dollar with a US astronaut on the moon over struck on a presidential dollar. That'll prob be on his website at some point if not already. Super cool.
Denver Mint press #2968 to be more exact, with a max stamping force of 360 metric tons! Love the "Danger: High Voltage" sign!
If only it could make espresso!
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Check Daniel Carr's website, www.moonlightmint.com. Has some info on his press and the task of getting it back into working order. I am fortunate enough to have been able to purchase a number of Medals that were struck on original blank planchets that were left in the 'nooks and crannies' of the machinery. I have quite a few of his works, and I'm impressed with each one.
Originally posted by: WildIdea Also a concept dollar with a US astronaut on the moon over struck on a presidential dollar. That'll prob be on his website at some point if not already. Super cool.
This? 2019-D Apollo Astronaut (Struck in 2015) Five struck.
I purchased multiples of his first bronze plaque of the Fallen Angel 09 back in 2012.. The new one has been revised and is slightly larger ..
Somehow I'm going to have figure out a way to get at least one of each of all these newcpieces, but doing some quick math it could be close to $10k.. Yikes !!
I'm like a spoiled child that wants everything.. Lol
Unfortunately some of them once gone now, may not appear on the secondary market for years ..
I've been following his items religiously for 4 years and there are many many pieces that I have never seen come to market at all ..
Super cool selection of releases this year for sure ..
Originally posted by: jmski52 I've been having mixed feelings about Dan's stuff lately. I do like a good percentage of his offerings and I've bought a fair number of them, in multiples.
On the other hand, several of both his silver and gold issues have had problems with dark toning, hologram delamination and/or unattractive spots caused by impurities in the metal stock which then turn into a major liability for the coin. His premiums are always very healthy and his customers allow his work to continue by paying these premiums, so I would expect an effort towards higher quality.
The other thing that's turned me off is that many times, some of his distributors bring special issues to a show when they are not available on his website and then they are pretty much gone when you look for them. Like this slug or other less expensive limited mintage issues, for instance. This causes me some misgivings.
That being said, Dan is continually innovating, frequently controversial, and the result is that some of his pieces wouldn't otherwise exist without his loyal customer base taking a chance now and then. I suppose that supporting innovation is always going to be wrought with some glitches here and there, but I think that this is the type of feedback he needs to keep his wheels on the road.
So, Captain - did you buy one?
There have been a few pieces that have spotted lightly. But these spots can be cured by a proper "dip". They are not the permanent "milk spot" variety. Of course, I try to keep things clean and do as much as possible to avoid that.
Hologram "delamination" is not possible because the few hologram pieces I did a few years ago were not laminated onto the piece - they were struck-through a hologram shim which transfers the surface texture of the shim into the silver, creating a permanent non-detachable hologram.
If I offer a piece at a show, I do make sure I offer it on my web site as well. Some are not available for very long, however.
Is there a precedent for the geometric design around the perimeter of this new slug? It seems dcarr relies on clip-art looking design elements too often. No doubting his technical skill. Just don't like the "had to put something there" approach to design.
There is a precedent for that border. I used a similar one for my [2015] 1715 Fleet cobs. I chose it for the simple reason that I like it. I did create it from scratch - not a "clip-art".
I would classify this more as a fantasy coin which is part of its appeal.
Myself, I would NOT classify it as a "fantasy coin", for the reason that it is a legitimate Clark Gruber issue. I am legally doing business as "Clark Gruber & Co" and can even accept checks written to that .
A few years ago I found that the business name "Clark Gruber & Co" was available for purchase from the state of Colorado, so I paid the $20 to acquire it
Originally posted by: Zoins For fantasy coins, I like to think of Dan along the lines of Bolen, Dickeson, Elder, Lovett, and others. It's been really great having Dan make these issues in our time.
And yes, the issues of Bolen, Dickeson, Elder, Lovett, and others do appeal to me
Whatever floats your boat - but I don't see any correlation between artisan medalists who made hand engraved dies, and a minter who uses computer generated designs and die cutting equipment. In my world, there is a huge difference between the skill and labor to use one's hands and the skill to use computer software in creating art. No comparison.
Yes, it requires a lot of skill to be able to engrave coinage dies, especially with the appearance of 3D sculpted surfaces. The US Mint, however, hasn't done things that way for a long time. All new coins since about 1900 have been created by sculpting a large model in clay/plaster/epoxy, and then cutting a hub using a Janvier reduction lathe pantograph.
What I do is sculpt a model just like that, except that the model is digital. But it still involves pushing [digital] clay around. Then I do a digital reduction, transferring to a physical die. That may sound easier, but it still requires the same sculpting skill. But I can say that it was definitely NOT easy to write my own 3D digital sculpting software, which I use for all my design, sculpting, and engraving. None of the commercially-available off-the-shelf sculpting software could to what I wanted to do, and that is why I wrote my own.
I definitely am a fan of Dan and his products. Just can't quite get my mind around the price of the big gold, though I quite understand. I also appreciate the choice of keeping the 1/4 oz. coin reverse sim to the previous 2013 and 2014 issues.
Love that Milled British (1830-1960) Well, just Love coins, period.
I would classify this more as a fantasy coin which is part of its appeal.
Myself, I would NOT classify it as a "fantasy coin", for the reason that it is a legitimate Clark Gruber issue. I am legally doing business as "Clark Gruber & Co" and can even accept checks written to that .
A few years ago I found that the business name "Clark Gruber & Co" was available for purchase from the state of Colorado, so I paid the $20 to acquire it
Hi Dan, thanks for the explanation. I knew you were doing business as "Clark Gruber & Co" so that wasn't the issuer regarding the fantasy classification (I like the ANACS Clark Gruber inserts BTW). The item I was referring to as "fantasy coin" perspective is the denomination.
Coins are able to be used for business transactions at face value.
(1) Coins for commerce: now that the US is off the gold standard, there are no gold coins (that I know of) used for commerce. These could be "trade tokens" if you accepted your pieces for payment at face value (in addition to checks). This could be "coins" if multiple establishments started accepting them for commerce at face value (or for gold weight), but there could be legal issues with that (see NORFED).
(2) Non-circulating tender: NCLT in the US Mint sense could always be used for transacting commerce because the US Government is ready to transact at face value. If the 2.5 slug had a face value fo $50, I'm sure anyone would be happy to give $50 for it, but with a face value of $5000, I don't know if you or others would accept it for payment at that level.
Because of these items, I don't think these can be used to transact business, hence the "fantasy" classification. Of course, I'd be happy to be convinced otherwise.
That being said, I do love the pieces. The slug looks very impressive in the photos. Thanks for making these. The world needs more gold octagon slugs
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Any chance the design will be available in silver for us low-budget collectors?
It would be cool to have a matching silver coin made of Colorado silver. Great idea
Here is a link to some images of gold coins in the same shape and some history.Text
Some of the old independent gold was this shape.
I don't mean the octagonal shape. The pioneer slugs and the $50 pan-pac pieces are all legit examples. I mean the geometric triangles around the perimeter. I feel it's a space filler that looks kind of bush-league.
--Severian the Lame
Any chance the design will be available in silver for us low-budget collectors?
It would be cool(?) to have a matching silver medal made of Colorado silver.
FIFY.
"Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
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Any chance the design will be available in silver for us low-budget collectors?
It would be cool(?) to have a matching silver medal made of Colorado silver.
FIFY.
I would classify this more as a fantasy coin which is part of its appeal.
Any chance the design will be available in silver for us low-budget collectors?
It would be cool(?) to have a matching silver medal made of Colorado silver.
FIFY.
I would classify this more as a fantasy coin which is part of its appeal.
My Adolph A. Weinman signature
Super nice medal. I'll save the photo to look at and keep the $5,000.
Bingo! Deja vu all over again re: Franklin Mint, Danbury Mint, Medallic Arts Company, etc., etc., - whatever.
Oh, and BTW Bullsitter, FIFY.
Super nice medal. I'll save the photo to look at and keep the $5,000.
Bingo! Deja vu all over again re: Franklin Mint, Danbury Mint, Medallic Arts Company, etc., etc., - whatever.
Oh, and BTW Bullsitter, FIFY.
In comparing DC to those companies , please show me any issue where they have produced an item with mintages under 50 .
I would be surprised if Dan produced more than 25 of this issue and they are probably already spoken for ... I would love one, but I'm a poverty stricken collector and Dan doesn't accept monthly payments
Maybe I'm alone or maybe not, but I happen to love some of Medallic Arts Co pieces that were produced
Any chance the design will be available in silver for us low-budget collectors?
It would be cool to have a matching silver coin made of Colorado silver. Great idea
I don't think he will replicate this particular piece in silver, but now that he has fabricated the collar to produce these slugs, hopefully he will do some future designs in this style ..
I would hope that he implements the reverse owl design on some of the smaller gold Clark Gruber pieces, such as the Half Eagle and fractional 1/10 oz..
He has already done the smaller octagonal Lesher pieces, so it certainly could be a possibility to see something slug like in silver..
Maybe he will chime in soon with the answers..
That's quite a premium over melt. I'll try to get one on the secondary market in a couple of years although if PCGS or NGC starts slabbing them their value will certainly increase.
I agree that the premium is much too high and, if they are slabbed the value is certain to rise.
Super nice coin. I'll save the photo to look at and keep the $5,000.
Me too, as I have no interest in owning one, although I think that it is an attractive design on this piece of art gold slug.
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Didn't even ask the price as I wasn't looking to buy any gold, but I did pick up a few silver pieces too fresh to make his website and will prob sell out fast. That makes bellying up to his booth worth the effort.
Not all his designs are for me but a few knock me out. I'll pay his premiums, as it does support future efforts, and really, he's making me money as the limited mintages usually quickly double his premium. I say he's gotta be proud that his past pieces trade with premiums within his lifetime and will likely march on from here.
One of the things I always appreciated about Dan's sales is that he would sell them on his website for some time for people to consider getting one, e.g. the Clark Gruber, Pike's Peak, and Confederate State double eagles. This way, he didn't create a "buyout" environment where the average collector didn't have a chance like with some other Mint's.
I also think the price is high enough that he should should be able to offer them on his website for some time. I always liked the Pan Pacs slugs where you could order them. The mintage wasn't limited because of an artificially low mintage. The mintage was limited because few people purchased them in the publish purchase window.
I'm glad he made this piece. I've been interested in Dan making a gold slug for a while so it's great to see this one come to reality. The owl, moon and stars is a very nice background IMO. Would love to see one in hand.
I also think a silver one would be great for people that cannot afford the gold one as mentioned by a few collectors here. Perhaps a 1 oz silver one with a $100 face like the Lesher pieces. I like the $5000 face because it goes with the 2015 issue date.
Now you have me super curious as to which silver pieces you purchased that have not been posted to his website ..
The only piece he spoke of coming out soon was the 2015 Amero..
I HATE living on the East Coast and not being able to see these issues prior to website release .. The slug piece he shared pics of in a DC thread on another forum ..
Seems like there's a lot of numismatic activity in Colorado between the Dan, the Denver Mint and the ANA.
Took me a while to find that thread but it's a great one to follow. The in-development images remind me of when Dan was first working on his trade dollars and posting his images here for feedback. It's great to be part of a conversation like that.
Any chance the design will be available in silver for us low-budget collectors?
It would be cool(?) to have a matching silver medal made of Colorado silver.
FIFY.
I would classify this more as a fantasy coin which is part of its appeal.
Are the "fantasy coin" made in China appealing to you also ?
"Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
http://www.american-legacy-coins.com
Seems like there's a lot of numismatic activity in Colorado between the Dan, the Denver Mint and the ANA.
Took me a while to find that thread but it's a great one to follow. The in-development images remind me of when Dan was first working on his trade dollars and posting his images here for feedback. It's great to be part of a conversation like that.
I couldn't agree with you more !!
It's frustrated me for 4 years not being able to see items in hand ..
I attended a small coin show yesterday in my area .. It was the first one ever held by the local numismatic club .. I couldn't find a single DC piece offered by anyone and pretty much everyone of them looked at me cross eyed when I told them I collect Daniel Carr pieces .
Their next show is in April and I'm going to get a table just to show them all what the heck I'm talking about .. Lol
In the Denver area those guys regularly buy sell and trade his pieces ..
Ohh well, you can't have everything in life ..
And yes, the issues of Bolen, Dickeson, Elder, Lovett, and others do appeal to me and many others
He must have one he'll of a coin press!
Yep! Ex-Denver Mint!
For fantasy coins, I like to think of Dan along the lines of Bolen, Dickeson, Elder, Lovett, and others. It's been really great having Dan make these issues in our time.
And yes, the issues of Bolen, Dickeson, Elder, Lovett, and others do appeal to me
Whatever floats your boat - but I don't see any correlation between artisan medalists who made hand engraved dies, and a minter who uses computer generated designs and die cutting equipment. In my world, there is a huge difference between the skill and labor to use one's hands and the skill to use computer software in creating art. No comparison.
"Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
http://www.american-legacy-coins.com
For fantasy coins, I like to think of Dan along the lines of Bolen, Dickeson, Elder, Lovett, and others. It's been really great having Dan make these issues in our time.
And yes, the issues of Bolen, Dickeson, Elder, Lovett, and others do appeal to me
Whatever floats your boat - but I don't see any correlation between artisan medalists who made hand engraved dies, and a minter who uses computer generated designs and die cutting equipment. In my world, there is a huge difference between the skill and labor to use one's hands and the skill to use computer software in creating art. No comparison.
Technology changes with the times. Have to keep up
More seriously, I am very interested in coin manufacturing over time. In early times, coins were hammered, then we had uncollared dies, then collared dies, then computer-aided design, etc. Somewhere during the transition from uncollared to collared dies, we had the introduction of steam presses which have been replaced. For engraving, we had hand engraved letters which moved to punches and then computer generated devices. It's very interesting to look at the old hubs which didn't have any letters on them because they were impressed separately. There is a technology for each time, and I think they can all be appreciated.
I am curious whatever happened to the hand-engraved dies Dan made, e.g. for the ANA.
Numismatics is a big, interesting, and evolving field. Dan's creations are of the work of our times and much appreciated, as are those of the past.
Technology helps the artist but can not create one.
For fantasy coins, I like to think of Dan along the lines of Bolen, Dickeson, Elder, Lovett, and others. It's been really great having Dan make these issues in our time.
And yes, the issues of Bolen, Dickeson, Elder, Lovett, and others do appeal to me
Whatever floats your boat - but I don't see any correlation between artisan medalists who made hand engraved dies, and a minter who uses computer generated designs and die cutting equipment. In my world, there is a huge difference between the skill and labor to use one's hands and the skill to use computer software in creating art. No comparison.
He must have one he'll of a coin press!
Yep! Ex-Denver Mint!
Denver Mint press #2968 to be more exact, with a max stamping force of 360 metric tons! Love the "Danger: High Voltage" sign!
For fantasy coins, I like to think of Dan along the lines of Bolen, Dickeson, Elder, Lovett, and others. It's been really great having Dan make these issues in our time.
And yes, the issues of Bolen, Dickeson, Elder, Lovett, and others do appeal to me
Whatever floats your boat - but I don't see any correlation between artisan medalists who made hand engraved dies, and a minter who uses computer generated designs and die cutting equipment. In my world, there is a huge difference between the skill and labor to use one's hands and the skill to use computer software in creating art. No comparison.
Technology changes with the times. Have to keep up
More seriously, I am very interested in coin manufacturing over time. In early times, coins were hammered, then we had uncollared dies, then collared dies, then computer-aided design, etc. Somewhere during the transition from uncollared to collared dies, we had the introduction of steam presses which have been replaced. For engraving, we had hand engraved letters which moved to punches and then computer generated devices. It's very interesting to look at the old hubs which didn't have any letters on them because they were impressed separately. There is a technology for each time, and I think they can all be appreciated.
I am curious whatever happened to the hand-engraved dies Dan made, e.g. for the ANA.
Numismatics is a big, interesting, and evolving field. Dan's creations are of the work of our times and much appreciated, as are those of the past.
FANTASTIC POST !!
Well, just Love coins, period.
WildIdea, I posted the final version pic of the gold slug on page 1 of the thread..
Now you have me super curious as to which silver pieces you purchased that have not been posted to his website ..
The only piece he spoke of coming out soon was the 2015 Amero..
I HATE living on the East Coast and not being able to see these issues prior to website release .. The slug piece he shared pics of in a DC thread on another forum ..
That CG photo is nothing like a picture of the real thing. An in hand shot would tell the story.
Yes there was a nice 1oz bar with current date and the new Amero in silver and copper. Some other nice rounds with various mulings.
He must have one he'll of a coin press!
Yep! Ex-Denver Mint!
Denver Mint press #2968 to be more exact, with a max stamping force of 360 metric tons! Love the "Danger: High Voltage" sign!
If only it could make espresso!
Has some info on his press and the task of getting it back into working order.
I am fortunate enough to have been able to purchase a number of Medals that were struck on original blank planchets that were left in the 'nooks and crannies' of the machinery.
I have quite a few of his works, and I'm impressed with each one.
Also a concept dollar with a US astronaut on the moon over struck on a presidential dollar. That'll prob be on his website at some point if not already. Super cool.
This? 2019-D Apollo Astronaut (Struck in 2015) Five struck.
Awesome design on both sides
Obverse appears two dimensions, flat, man in the moon astronaut face cover is a showstopper. MHO.
Interesting design link - Text
WOWZA !!
The 2015 Amero has a lightning bolt thrower obverse that is amazing..
He also has redone some past obverse designs for 2015 with a new reverse 1ag unit..
The Clark Gruber's he is doing all denominations this year 1/10, 1/4, 1/2, 1 0z and the 2.5 oz slug ..
It appears the owl reverse is only available on the 2.5 slug .. Bummer
I better get busy raising cash or I'll be missing the boat big this year as there will be too many issues released all at once
I like that one as well.
Dan's also selling a nice plaque of this design:
I purchased multiples of his first bronze plaque of the Fallen Angel 09 back in 2012.. The new one has been revised and is slightly larger ..
Somehow I'm going to have figure out a way to get at least one of each of all these newcpieces, but doing some quick math it could be close to $10k.. Yikes !!
I'm like a spoiled child that wants everything.. Lol
Unfortunately some of them once gone now, may not appear on the secondary market for years ..
I've been following his items religiously for 4 years and there are many many pieces that I have never seen come to market at all ..
Super cool selection of releases this year for sure ..
I've been having mixed feelings about Dan's stuff lately. I do like a good percentage of his offerings and I've bought a fair number of them, in multiples.
On the other hand, several of both his silver and gold issues have had problems with dark toning, hologram delamination and/or unattractive spots caused by impurities in the metal stock which then turn into a major liability for the coin. His premiums are always very healthy and his customers allow his work to continue by paying these premiums, so I would expect an effort towards higher quality.
The other thing that's turned me off is that many times, some of his distributors bring special issues to a show when they are not available on his website and then they are pretty much gone when you look for them. Like this slug or other less expensive limited mintage issues, for instance. This causes me some misgivings.
That being said, Dan is continually innovating, frequently controversial, and the result is that some of his pieces wouldn't otherwise exist without his loyal customer base taking a chance now and then. I suppose that supporting innovation is always going to be wrought with some glitches here and there, but I think that this is the type of feedback he needs to keep his wheels on the road.
So, Captain - did you buy one?
There have been a few pieces that have spotted lightly. But these spots can be cured by a proper "dip". They are not the permanent "milk spot" variety. Of course, I try to keep things clean and do as much as possible to avoid that.
Hologram "delamination" is not possible because the few hologram pieces I did a few years ago were not laminated onto the piece - they were struck-through a hologram shim which transfers the surface texture of the shim into the silver, creating a permanent non-detachable hologram.
If I offer a piece at a show, I do make sure I offer it on my web site as well. Some are not available for very long, however.
Is there a precedent for the geometric design around the perimeter of this new slug? It seems dcarr relies on clip-art looking design elements too often. No doubting his technical skill. Just don't like the "had to put something there" approach to design.
There is a precedent for that border. I used a similar one for my [2015] 1715 Fleet cobs.
I chose it for the simple reason that I like it. I did create it from scratch - not a "clip-art".
Any chance the design will be available in silver for us low-budget collectors?
There is a strong possibility that I will do one as a "$60" 1.5 troy oz 999 silver version.
Myself, I would NOT classify it as a "fantasy coin", for the reason that it is a legitimate Clark Gruber issue. I am legally doing business as "Clark Gruber & Co" and can even accept checks written to that
A few years ago I found that the business name "Clark Gruber & Co" was available for purchase from the state of Colorado, so I paid the $20 to acquire it
For fantasy coins, I like to think of Dan along the lines of Bolen, Dickeson, Elder, Lovett, and others. It's been really great having Dan make these issues in our time.
And yes, the issues of Bolen, Dickeson, Elder, Lovett, and others do appeal to me
Whatever floats your boat - but I don't see any correlation between artisan medalists who made hand engraved dies, and a minter who uses computer generated designs and die cutting equipment. In my world, there is a huge difference between the skill and labor to use one's hands and the skill to use computer software in creating art. No comparison.
Yes, it requires a lot of skill to be able to engrave coinage dies, especially with the appearance of 3D sculpted surfaces. The US Mint, however, hasn't done things that way for a long time. All new coins since about 1900 have been created by sculpting a large model in clay/plaster/epoxy, and then cutting a hub using a Janvier reduction lathe pantograph.
What I do is sculpt a model just like that, except that the model is digital. But it still involves pushing [digital] clay around. Then I do a digital reduction, transferring to a physical die. That may sound easier, but it still requires the same sculpting skill. But I can say that it was definitely NOT easy to write my own 3D digital sculpting software, which I use for all my design, sculpting, and engraving. None of the commercially-available off-the-shelf sculpting software could to what I wanted to do, and that is why I wrote my own.
Concept dollar struck over US Mint small "golden" dollar:
2015 Amero:
2015 "1Ag" trade currency (my favorite designs revised for this):
Well, just Love coins, period.
Myself, I would NOT classify it as a "fantasy coin", for the reason that it is a legitimate Clark Gruber issue. I am legally doing business as "Clark Gruber & Co" and can even accept checks written to that
A few years ago I found that the business name "Clark Gruber & Co" was available for purchase from the state of Colorado, so I paid the $20 to acquire it
Hi Dan, thanks for the explanation. I knew you were doing business as "Clark Gruber & Co" so that wasn't the issuer regarding the fantasy classification (I like the ANACS Clark Gruber inserts BTW). The item I was referring to as "fantasy coin" perspective is the denomination.
Coins are able to be used for business transactions at face value.
(1) Coins for commerce: now that the US is off the gold standard, there are no gold coins (that I know of) used for commerce. These could be "trade tokens" if you accepted your pieces for payment at face value (in addition to checks). This could be "coins" if multiple establishments started accepting them for commerce at face value (or for gold weight), but there could be legal issues with that (see NORFED).
(2) Non-circulating tender: NCLT in the US Mint sense could always be used for transacting commerce because the US Government is ready to transact at face value. If the 2.5 slug had a face value fo $50, I'm sure anyone would be happy to give $50 for it, but with a face value of $5000, I don't know if you or others would accept it for payment at that level.
Because of these items, I don't think these can be used to transact business, hence the "fantasy" classification. Of course, I'd be happy to be convinced otherwise.
That being said, I do love the pieces. The slug looks very impressive in the photos. Thanks for making these. The world needs more gold octagon slugs
This was his final version.
Holy crap that's beautiful!!!!!
This was his final version.
Holy crap that's beautiful!!!!!
that is a nice piece for sure