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1837-1838 Dr. Jonas G. Hewett - Bone Setter, New York, HT-279/ Low-256, Rarity-3.
Struck from rusted dies on a thin planchet.
Provenance wise this has been in the collections of Robert Hudson, Gilbert Steinberg, Dice/Hicks, Richard Gross and is also Russell Rulau's plate coin in his book on Hard Times Tokens.
White Swelling = Tuberculosis of Bones and Joints.
Struck from rusted dies on a thin planchet.
Provenance wise this has been in the collections of Robert Hudson, Gilbert Steinberg, Dice/Hicks, Richard Gross and is also Russell Rulau's plate coin in his book on Hard Times Tokens.
White Swelling = Tuberculosis of Bones and Joints.
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looks like a sweet state of preservation here on this "bone setter" store token
it's almost chilling to imagine needing to go here back in the day but then again
"COKE" was the real thing then so yeah...i guess all was good
grab a coke...fix a limb...and get a groovy store token
<< <i>was this place across the street from that creepy looking guy ready to flog someone?
looks like a sweet state of preservation here on this "bone setter" store token
it's almost chilling to imagine needing to go here back in the day but then again
"COKE" was the real thing then so yeah...i guess all was good
grab a coke...fix a limb...and get a groovy store token >>
Well it's pretty safe to assume Dr. Hewett didn't de-ice the sidewalk in front of his office
Thanks it's not the highest TPG graded but the finest... Make sense? As in the exonumia arena TPG wise sometimes a example 1, 2, or even 3 grades lower will have better attributes across the board and walk all over the so-called top pop. Professional grade opinions can vary on any given day just like coins, so just eyeing a slab label with a wallet won't get you far without properly attained knowledge.
Here is what I think......pretty dog gone sure.....is an electrotype of a William Idler Merchant Token.
At first glance it looks like the obverse legend was removed and perhaps tried to pass off as the real deal. But the
overall appearance is way to soft, both obverse and reverse and not from a weak strike.
Here is a link for a Lovett site that shows the ledgend removed.
And under magnification mine does not appear to be cast as it does not appear porous in any way. Or, had its legend removed.
But usually n electrotype will have some giveaway other than the seam on the edge but this has none.
So....IMO I feel this is a very, very good electrotype that was made from an original token and 'that token either had
its obverse legend removed or...............I have a very unique token
I have included some dino-scope images that shows the edges as well.
I'm open to other opinions
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Well it's pretty safe to assume Dr. Hewett didn't de-ice the sidewalk in front of his office
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Nice Broadstruck!! Now that is funny!!
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<< <i>1837-1838 Dr. Jonas G. Hewett - Bone Setter, New York, HT-279/ Low-256, Rarity-3.
Struck from rusted dies on a thin planchet.
Provenance wise this has been in the collections of Robert Hudson, Gilbert Steinberg, Dice/Hicks, Richard Gross and is also Russell Rulau's plate coin in his book on Hard Times Tokens.
White Swelling = Tuberculosis of Bones and Joints. >>
That's pretty cool. Is the thought that the dies rusted within 1837-1838 or that this was struck at some later time after the dies had been sitting around for a while?
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<< <i>1837-1838 Dr. Jonas G. Hewett - Bone Setter, New York, HT-279/ Low-256, Rarity-3.
Struck from rusted dies on a thin planchet.
Provenance wise this has been in the collections of Robert Hudson, Gilbert Steinberg, Dice/Hicks, Richard Gross and is also Russell Rulau's plate coin in his book on Hard Times Tokens.
White Swelling = Tuberculosis of Bones and Joints. >>
That's pretty cool. Is the thought that the dies rusted within 1837-1838 or that this was struck at some later time after the dies had been sitting around for a while? >>
It didn't take long for dies to rust in the humid summers in those days as many of the HTT series is seen struck from rusted dies.
Also most of the major button manufacturers where located near streams or rivers as they used water wheels to power prior to steam.
<< <i>Here is something interesting.....
Here is what I think......pretty dog gone sure.....is an electrotype of a William Idler Merchant Token.
At first glance it looks like the obverse legend was removed and perhaps tried to pass off as the real deal. But the
overall appearance is way to soft, both obverse and reverse and not from a weak strike.
Here is a link for a Lovett site that shows the ledgend removed.
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And under magnification mine does not appear to be cast as it does not appear porous in any way. Or, had its legend removed.
But usually n electrotype will have some giveaway other than the seam on the edge but this has none.
So....IMO I feel this is a very, very good electrotype that was made from an original token and 'that token either had
its obverse legend removed or...............I have a very unique token
I have included some dino-scope images that shows the edges as well.
I'm open to other opinions
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I don't have an opinion but I love mysteries. It would be nice to figure out whether the legend was removed or it was as made. Is there any chance this was made without a legend?
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<< <i>1837-1838 Dr. Jonas G. Hewett - Bone Setter, New York, HT-279/ Low-256, Rarity-3.
Struck from rusted dies on a thin planchet.
Provenance wise this has been in the collections of Robert Hudson, Gilbert Steinberg, Dice/Hicks, Richard Gross and is also Russell Rulau's plate coin in his book on Hard Times Tokens.
White Swelling = Tuberculosis of Bones and Joints. >>
That's pretty cool. Is the thought that the dies rusted within 1837-1838 or that this was struck at some later time after the dies had been sitting around for a while? >>
It didn't take long for dies to rust in the humid summers in those days as many of the HTT series is seen struck from rusted dies.
Also most of the major button manufacturers where located near streams or rivers as they used water wheels to power prior to steam. >>
Good to know. Love the red on your piece. Thanks!
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<< <i>1837-1838 Dr. Jonas G. Hewett - Bone Setter, New York, HT-279/ Low-256, Rarity-3.
Struck from rusted dies on a thin planchet.
Provenance wise this has been in the collections of Robert Hudson, Gilbert Steinberg, Dice/Hicks, Richard Gross and is also Russell Rulau's plate coin in his book on Hard Times Tokens.
White Swelling = Tuberculosis of Bones and Joints. >>
That's pretty cool. Is the thought that the dies rusted within 1837-1838 or that this was struck at some later time after the dies had been sitting around for a while? >>
It didn't take long for dies to rust in the humid summers in those days as many of the HTT series is seen struck from rusted dies.
Also most of the major button manufacturers where located near streams or rivers as they used water wheels to power prior to steam. >>
Good to know. Love the red on your piece. Thanks!
Thanks I was looking for images I posted from the water wheel in the river to how it powered the whole facility but can't locate them right now.
Robinson Jones just like Scovill manufacturing another major button and hard times token producer erected their plants or mills adjacent to a river to take advantage of water power and steam.
For what it's worth a good portion of HTT's depending on variety seen in RB had been struck from rusted dies whereas the none rusted die examples turned brown.
The pitting on the dies which transferred to surfaces of the planchet making the fields irregular deterred the progression of patina.
Every HT-70 seen with red has micro-granular surfaces as they all where struck from rusted dies.
Here's a Smooth Brown & Rusted Die Red HT-171... Sorry the images are small but if you look at just the fields you'll see the difference.
Here's some larger images I found on here from 5 years ago where you can better see the micro-granular fields which occurred from being struck from rusted dies.
HT-279
HT-70
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<< <i>1837-1838 Dr. Jonas G. Hewett - Bone Setter, New York, HT-279/ Low-256, Rarity-3.
Struck from rusted dies on a thin planchet.
Provenance wise this has been in the collections of Robert Hudson, Gilbert Steinberg, Dice/Hicks, Richard Gross and is also Russell Rulau's plate coin in his book on Hard Times Tokens.
White Swelling = Tuberculosis of Bones and Joints. >>
That's pretty cool. Is the thought that the dies rusted within 1837-1838 or that this was struck at some later time after the dies had been sitting around for a while? >>
It didn't take long for dies to rust in the humid summers in those days as many of the HTT series is seen struck from rusted dies.
Also most of the major button manufacturers where located near streams or rivers as they used water wheels to power prior to steam. >>
Good to know. Love the red on your piece. Thanks!
Thanks I was looking for images I posted from the water wheel in the river to how it powered the whole facility but can't locate them right now.
Robinson Jones just like Scovill manufacturing another major button and hard times token producer erected their plants or mills adjacent to a river to take advantage of water power and steam.
For what it's worth a good portion of HTT's depending on variety seen in RB had been struck from rusted dies whereas the none rusted die examples turned brown.
The pitting on the dies which transferred to surfaces of the planchet making the fields irregular deterred the progression of patina.
Every HT-70 seen with red has micro-granular surfaces as they all where struck from rusted dies.
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That's good info. Thanks for sharing the photos and explanation. It's nice to know how these tokens trace their characteristics to their manufacturing locations. I definitely have a better appreciation of rusted dies and red copper now!
<< <i>1837-1838 Dr. Jonas G. Hewett - Bone Setter, New York, HT-279/ Low-256, Rarity-3.
Struck from rusted dies on a thin planchet.
Provenance wise this has been in the collections of Robert Hudson, Gilbert Steinberg, Dice/Hicks, Richard Gross and is also Russell Rulau's plate coin in his book on Hard Times Tokens.
White Swelling = Tuberculosis of Bones and Joints.
For sure one of the coolest ones I've ever seen. Can you imagine having to go to one of these guys back in the day?
<< <i>For sure one of the coolest ones I've ever seen. Can you imagine having to go to one of these guys back in the day?
I imagine people would have been quite happy to see a doctor back in the day.
Imagine what people from 150 years in the future would think of our medicine today?
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<< <i>Here is something interesting.....
Here is what I think......pretty dog gone sure.....is an electrotype of a William Idler Merchant Token.
At first glance it looks like the obverse legend was removed and perhaps tried to pass off as the real deal. But the
overall appearance is way to soft, both obverse and reverse and not from a weak strike.
Here is a link for a Lovett site that shows the ledgend removed.
And under magnification mine does not appear to be cast as it does not appear porous in any way. Or, had its legend removed.
But usually n electrotype will have some giveaway other than the seam on the edge but this has none.
So....IMO I feel this is a very, very good electrotype that was made from an original token and 'that token either had
its obverse legend removed or...............I have a very unique token
I have included some dino-scope images that shows the edges as well.
I'm open to other opinions
My opinion is that the piece has been treated with nitric acid.
Bronze coins that are subjected to concentrated nitric acid tend to retain much of the original design while becoming somewhat thinner and lighter in weight. I have seen many Lincoln and Indian cents like that. They have the same "look" as this one.
<< <i>And no harassing me by reposting this image
Drool bib, please! Darn, that's sweet.
Now you're upside down in that coin